NZ cricket 2021
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In comparison. Australia by hosting a 5 match ashes.
- Will play 18 tests. 10 home, 8 away.
- Will be playing for 216 potential points. 56% of those points will be in home tests.
- 120 home points, 96 away points.
More maths, that even David White could do. Or someone could do it for him and tell him.
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The reality for nzc is that every test loses money apparently.
So I'm sure nzc would love to have 3, 4 or 5 test series but we basically can't afford it.
Maybe that's rubbish that nzc are pushing, but given test attendance on week days and low capacity even for 'sellout' venues that makes sense to me.
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@rapido said in NZ cricket 2021:
But still, NZ is at a disadvantage if it only schedules 2 test home series, and has any amnount of 3 test overseas series.
E,g, NZ will have 156 points available from its 13 tests in the next cycle.
72 of those points from home tests, 84 of those points in away tests. (Only 46% of the points will be in home tests)Even David White can figure out that maths.
Given that our only three test series is in England and considering our recent form there, we are a lock for the next final. Only team that can throw a spanner in the works is Pakistan and that series will probably be played in the UAE.
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Anyone know the extent of Kane's elbow injury? I see he has had to pull out of the T20 in England because of it. The elbow has been hanging around for a while now. I have PTSD from Crowe's knee forcing him to retire a few years early, hope Kane is not going down the same path.
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@bayimports same as the last home tests against them didn't count either! I think those were the last of the future tours programme or something?
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@cyclops said in NZ cricket 2021:
The reality for nzc is that every test loses money apparently.
The result last week probably means every home test in the past cycle paid a healthy dividend on the whole.
NZC have the #1 team in two formats so if you can't market that then it is time to clear house.
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@rotated said in NZ cricket 2021:
@cyclops said in NZ cricket 2021:
The reality for nzc is that every test loses money apparently.
The result last week probably means every home test in the past cycle paid a healthy dividend on the whole.
NZC have the #1 team in two formats so if you can't market that then it is time to clear house.
Doesn't matter how good your marketing is the other major associations don't give a toss.
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Colin de Grandhomme hit 174 not out for Hampshire today batting at 6 and saving them from 221 for 7 to make 488 against Surry. This included a 114 run 10th wicket partnership, with the number 11 batsman making 45. Sadly Kyle
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@daffy-jaffy said in NZ cricket 2021:
Colin de Grandhomme hit 174 not out for Hampshire today batting at 6 and saving them from 221 for 7 to make 488 against Surry. This included a 114 run 10th wicket partnership, with the number 11 batsman making 45. Sadly Kyle
Jamieson pulled up injured after bowling just 6 overs for 10 runs for Surry.Interesting to see Conway continuing to open in his stint at Somerset too. Good news of NZ if he can continue these quality returns.
Daryl Mitchell gets going today and I think that is all of the NZ contingent left playing the four day game after Will Young finished up.
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@daffy-jaffy said in NZ cricket 2021:
Colin de Grandhomme hit 174 not out for Hampshire today batting at 6 and saving them from 221 for 7 to make 488 against Surry. This included a 114 run 10th wicket partnership, with the number 11 batsman making 45. Sadly Kyle
Jamieson pulled up injured after bowling just 6 overs for 10 runs for Surry.Good news for the park cricketer. Not so good for Kylo. Hopefully he's okay
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@godder said in NZ cricket 2021:
@rotated said in NZ cricket 2021:
@cyclops said in NZ cricket 2021:
The reality for nzc is that every test loses money apparently.
The result last week probably means every home test in the past cycle paid a healthy dividend on the whole.
NZC have the #1 team in two formats so if you can't market that then it is time to clear house.
Doesn't matter how good your marketing is the other major associations don't give a toss.
It doesn't matter whether the other major associations give a toss or not if our own governing body don't give a toss. NZC haven't schedule a home 3 test series since v SA in 2016/17.
It is when we tour the other major associations that we play, or have a chance of paying, a 3 test series. The problem is at home and what NZC decide to prioritise.
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The last time NZC hosted a 3 match test series was v South Africa in 2016/17.
This coming summer we will host South Africa sa marquee series but it will be only 2 tests.'Famously' NZC say they lose about $1m to host a test if it is not versus one of the big 3 England, India, Australia.
When NZ last hosted 3 test v South Africa, NZC had revenue of about 48-52m per year. And had $25 million cash in the bank.
Currently NZC has revenue of about $60 per year, and has $14 million cash in the bank. (albeit after a year where 2 of the Big 3 visited in 2019/20)
NZC's biggest revenue source is ICC distributions. The current agreement is for 8 year period 2016-2023 for $128m (I think $US). So about US$16m a year on average but is is being distributed in a hockey stick graph way with most of the payments being backdated to the years from about now until 2023.
NZC is not is in dire straits and never has been. Sure it has to make choices, one of the choices is more limited overs instead of tests. I hate this choice. But I hate that the 'blame' gets shift off NZC. I don't care if we only play 2 tests v Bangladesh or Sri Lanka, but if new reality is we only schedule 2 tests v Big 3 and I am to accept that then we need to compromise and make South Africa and Pakistan 3 tests when they tour.
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@rapido I submit that it is impossible to lose $1,000,000.00 in five days. There is no way ground hireage and other associated costs involved could possible total that much. I call the NZCC's bluff and ask them to provide evidence of this supposed loss.
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@higgins said in NZ cricket 2021:
@rapido I submit that it is impossible to lose $1,000,000.00 in five days. There is no way ground hireage and other associated costs involved could possible total that much. I call the NZCC's bluff and ask them to provide evidence of this supposed loss.
Yes, it's never really been challenged as a figure, or broken down. It's a figure put out by NZC about 2 years ago to justify their scheduling.
It might be they lose $1m of revenue compared to alternative of hosting 2 white ball matches. It might not, it might be bollocks.
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Another thing to keep in mind - is the next ICC 8 year schedule and subsequent revenue to be distributed. This will revert to having the World T20 every 2 years again. So their will be 4 WT20s and 2 World Cups in that cycle to sell TV Rights for etc.
We can expect then next 8 years ICC distributions to be rosy.
Balance this by the current WT20 was scheduled for last year, got postponed to 2021 and now moved to UAE. NZ's ICC distribution may be getting disrupted at the moment, although heard nothing of it.
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I will however, tip my hat to NZC for their hosting schedule last season. To get 2 tours in through isolation etc, plus attached concurrent 'A' squads to make it worth the while of the players who aren't multi-format - was excellent.
No complaints from me about only having 2 test serieses last season.
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@rapido said in NZ cricket 2021:
@higgins said in NZ cricket 2021:
@rapido I submit that it is impossible to lose $1,000,000.00 in five days. There is no way ground hireage and other associated costs involved could possible total that much. I call the NZCC's bluff and ask them to provide evidence of this supposed loss.
Yes, it's never really been challenged as a figure, or broken down. It's a figure put out by NZC about 2 years ago to justify their scheduling.
It might be they lose $1m of revenue compared to alternative of hosting 2 white ball matches. It might not, it might be bollocks.
I haven't seen a breakdown either, so can only give reckons, but host nations pay the cost of the touring teams, so that probably factors in somewhere. 5 days of test cricket compared to 3 ODIs/T20s also probably has quite a difference in ground costs and revenue, and possibly impact on the value of TV rights.
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"Speaking from Dubai, where the majority of the Black Caps squad are training ahead of a friendly game with the Netherlands on Saturday, Stead said Williamson had arrived from India – where he had been playing in the IPL with Sunrisers Hyderabad – carrying a minor injury. Black Caps coach Gary Stead says captain Kane Williamson has a “slight hamstring twinge” but is otherwise “feeling good”. But he played down fears that New Zealand’s talisman could be in doubt for their tournament opener against Pakistan in Sharjah on October 26."
wow after the sentiment coming from Pakistan for not playing there, thats going to go off with a bang (I will get my coat)
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