SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues
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@chris said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@taniwharugby said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Imagine if TSF was a thing when Mark Carter played 🤣
Ohh Geez The Place would overload and shut down.
Here’s an interesting debate - who’s the more worthy AB out of Carter and Broomhall?
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@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@chris said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@taniwharugby said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Imagine if TSF was a thing when Mark Carter played 🤣
Ohh Geez The Place would overload and shut down.
Here’s an interesting debate - who’s the more worthy AB out of Carter and Broomhall?
I can’t defend either of them,I have no ammo for that debate.
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@bones said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@snowy I think there was a fair bit of fault with the blues player, you're opening up a can of worms if you want to go by the letter of the law there, we'll have penalties every phase with the amount of attacking players in front of the ball running into defenders these days.
That's true, but they did deem it worthy of penalising in this case. Obviously the severity of it is key.
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@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@cantab79 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Does any NZ player divide opinions as much as Akira Ioane? There is something about Akira Ioane, people either love him or hate him. People can watch the same game and see completely different performances. Fwiw I thought he was excellent with ball in hand.
The trouble with Akira is he is usually excellent with ball in hand, but too often not without the ball, when he not on he will make a tackle coming straight at him usually, but as soon as the attack goes 5 meters wide of him he switches off and goes into jog mode. I get impression he was a very good college player who ran over top of people frequently, and was no doubt a star of his team, and maybe got into bad habits with rest of his game. I have seen him play what I consider probly 4 real good games in all the times I have watched him.
It's hard to take you seriously with comments like that.
Ok enlighten me what are all the real good games he has played. He started last year not even getting on bench for Blues ** (remember the fat f* sitting in the stand eating a pie?)**, he had a few good games, one good test, and really hasn't even held his starting spot in Blues this year. Maybe I was being harsh, but you can't say he has in any year played consistently good rugby, why I get so pissed with him, because of his undoubted potential.
You appear to just be doubling down now. He didn't get selected for the ABs on the back of no form last year. As @Kirwan has mentioned multiple times he was being deliberately held back at the start of last season due to the mental health issues (and quite frankly the overworked he'd been in the previous Blues campaigns). Even this year he hasn't been as bad as you're making out. He was topping the Fern MOTM poll for a few weeks there, and there's no higher authority than that.
But, since you appear to want an extra long run then dust off your videotapes from 2018, he was superb all of that season and Evans (who I'm a big fan of as a Magpies boy) made the ABs instead of him despite not playing as well.
But I guess the tone of the bolded bit means that no matter what he does you'll never give him credit.
Ok so we disagree, I thought in 2018 he was very ordinary, because of his workrate. And as you said Evan made ABs ahead of him, because maybe ABs wanted players that would work all around field. We will never agree, you want someone who will stand around and do a caryy every now and then, I want a player who is involved all the time. Apparently so do Blues coaches as he doesn't seem to be first choice there this year ,again!
Seriously mate, you're completely taking the piss or you've completely forgotten the 2018 season.
At the time when the usual suspects were whining about him and pushing amongst others Taufua's credentials, I reviewed all the contenders stats and Ioane was top or near the top on all attack and defence stats, with the exception of the mythical lean on rucks stats that weren't recorded. When you pointed out to his detractors that he was actually going well in all these stats, then ruck leaning was brought up, then niggle, then the length of his beard etc etc.
Mate, stats will hardly ever tell you story. I have seen stats where a player has made x amount of tackles in a game,etc, but the stats don't tell you how many he didn't attempt because the player didn't run straight at him etc. The coaches usually measure where and when the players are involved.
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@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@cantab79 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Does any NZ player divide opinions as much as Akira Ioane? There is something about Akira Ioane, people either love him or hate him. People can watch the same game and see completely different performances. Fwiw I thought he was excellent with ball in hand.
The trouble with Akira is he is usually excellent with ball in hand, but too often not without the ball, when he not on he will make a tackle coming straight at him usually, but as soon as the attack goes 5 meters wide of him he switches off and goes into jog mode. I get impression he was a very good college player who ran over top of people frequently, and was no doubt a star of his team, and maybe got into bad habits with rest of his game. I have seen him play what I consider probly 4 real good games in all the times I have watched him.
It's hard to take you seriously with comments like that.
Ok enlighten me what are all the real good games he has played. He started last year not even getting on bench for Blues ** (remember the fat f* sitting in the stand eating a pie?)**, he had a few good games, one good test, and really hasn't even held his starting spot in Blues this year. Maybe I was being harsh, but you can't say he has in any year played consistently good rugby, why I get so pissed with him, because of his undoubted potential.
You appear to just be doubling down now. He didn't get selected for the ABs on the back of no form last year. As @Kirwan has mentioned multiple times he was being deliberately held back at the start of last season due to the mental health issues (and quite frankly the overworked he'd been in the previous Blues campaigns). Even this year he hasn't been as bad as you're making out. He was topping the Fern MOTM poll for a few weeks there, and there's no higher authority than that.
But, since you appear to want an extra long run then dust off your videotapes from 2018, he was superb all of that season and Evans (who I'm a big fan of as a Magpies boy) made the ABs instead of him despite not playing as well.
But I guess the tone of the bolded bit means that no matter what he does you'll never give him credit.
Ok so we disagree, I thought in 2018 he was very ordinary, because of his workrate. And as you said Evan made ABs ahead of him, because maybe ABs wanted players that would work all around field. We will never agree, you want someone who will stand around and do a caryy every now and then, I want a player who is involved all the time. Apparently so do Blues coaches as he doesn't seem to be first choice there this year ,again!
Seriously mate, you're completely taking the piss or you've completely forgotten the 2018 season.
At the time when the usual suspects were whining about him and pushing amongst others Taufua's credentials, I reviewed all the contenders stats and Ioane was top or near the top on all attack and defence stats, with the exception of the mythical lean on rucks stats that weren't recorded. When you pointed out to his detractors that he was actually going well in all these stats, then ruck leaning was brought up, then niggle, then the length of his beard etc etc.
Mate, stats will hardly ever tell you story. I have seen stats where a player has made x amount of tackles in a game,etc, but the stats don't tell you how many he didn't attempt because the player didn't run straight at him etc. The coaches usually measure where and when the players are involved.
Akira certainly hasn't been as strong this year as his Super Rugby Aotearoa season last year but he's hardly the only Blues player in that category however he seems to be singled out for it.
Only Akira could have a barnstorming performance off the bench vs Crusaders in Chch and then be singled out for criticism.
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@kiwimurph Or some people are just oversensitive when someone says something remotely critical of Akira (I guess that goes hand in hand with hyping up a player over the years
). I've seen plenty of people commenting on Sotutu, Clarke and Rieko being lacklustre this season, and being outplayed in this game. -
@stargazer said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@kiwimurph Or some people are just oversensitive when someone says something remotely critical of Akira (I guess that goes hand in hand with hyping up a player over the years
). I've seen plenty of people commenting on Sotutu, Clarke and Rieko being lacklustre this season, and being outplayed in this game.Yeah and I've been critical of Akira in other games this season when he has deserved it.
But he gets singled out in this game when was one of the 3 Blues best players alongside Sotutu and Papali'i?
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@kiwimurph IMO there was only one Blues player outstanding in this game: Papali'i.
Edited to add that Sotutu and Akira just weren't terrible like in other games, or like some of their team mates.
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@stargazer said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@kiwimurph IMO there was only one Blues player outstanding in this game: Papali'i.
Ok?
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@kiwimurph said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@cantab79 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Does any NZ player divide opinions as much as Akira Ioane? There is something about Akira Ioane, people either love him or hate him. People can watch the same game and see completely different performances. Fwiw I thought he was excellent with ball in hand.
The trouble with Akira is he is usually excellent with ball in hand, but too often not without the ball, when he not on he will make a tackle coming straight at him usually, but as soon as the attack goes 5 meters wide of him he switches off and goes into jog mode. I get impression he was a very good college player who ran over top of people frequently, and was no doubt a star of his team, and maybe got into bad habits with rest of his game. I have seen him play what I consider probly 4 real good games in all the times I have watched him.
It's hard to take you seriously with comments like that.
Ok enlighten me what are all the real good games he has played. He started last year not even getting on bench for Blues ** (remember the fat f* sitting in the stand eating a pie?)**, he had a few good games, one good test, and really hasn't even held his starting spot in Blues this year. Maybe I was being harsh, but you can't say he has in any year played consistently good rugby, why I get so pissed with him, because of his undoubted potential.
You appear to just be doubling down now. He didn't get selected for the ABs on the back of no form last year. As @Kirwan has mentioned multiple times he was being deliberately held back at the start of last season due to the mental health issues (and quite frankly the overworked he'd been in the previous Blues campaigns). Even this year he hasn't been as bad as you're making out. He was topping the Fern MOTM poll for a few weeks there, and there's no higher authority than that.
But, since you appear to want an extra long run then dust off your videotapes from 2018, he was superb all of that season and Evans (who I'm a big fan of as a Magpies boy) made the ABs instead of him despite not playing as well.
But I guess the tone of the bolded bit means that no matter what he does you'll never give him credit.
Ok so we disagree, I thought in 2018 he was very ordinary, because of his workrate. And as you said Evan made ABs ahead of him, because maybe ABs wanted players that would work all around field. We will never agree, you want someone who will stand around and do a caryy every now and then, I want a player who is involved all the time. Apparently so do Blues coaches as he doesn't seem to be first choice there this year ,again!
Seriously mate, you're completely taking the piss or you've completely forgotten the 2018 season.
At the time when the usual suspects were whining about him and pushing amongst others Taufua's credentials, I reviewed all the contenders stats and Ioane was top or near the top on all attack and defence stats, with the exception of the mythical lean on rucks stats that weren't recorded. When you pointed out to his detractors that he was actually going well in all these stats, then ruck leaning was brought up, then niggle, then the length of his beard etc etc.
Mate, stats will hardly ever tell you story. I have seen stats where a player has made x amount of tackles in a game,etc, but the stats don't tell you how many he didn't attempt because the player didn't run straight at him etc. The coaches usually measure where and when the players are involved.
Akira certainly hasn't been as strong this year as his Super Rugby Aotearoa season last year but he's hardly the only Blues player in that category however he seems to be singled out for it.
Only Akira could have a barnstorming performance off the bench vs Crusaders in Chch and then be singled out for criticism.
I not singling him out for criticism for Saturday's game, thought he went well the half he was on. I also think you probably a little bit if you think only Akira has been singled out, I think Sotutu is not really putting his hand up for selection, in loosies, only Papali'i and maybe Tom Robertson have put up hand over the season (or part of for Robertson.
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@nzzp said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@bones said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@tim yeah I feel like Broomhall and Whitelock align nicely.
Luke Whitelock, AB Captain.
/shakes head
cough...John Mitchell....cough Tom Willis....cough Paul Henderson
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@stargazer said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@kiwimurph Or some people are just oversensitive when someone says something remotely critical of Akira (I guess that goes hand in hand with hyping up a player over the years
). I've seen plenty of people commenting on Sotutu, Clarke and Rieko being lacklustre this season, and being outplayed in this game.I don't think people care when Akira gets shit when he's playing average, but as this thread clearly shows no matter how well he plays posters will say he's playing shit or he's always shit.
The 2018 season clearly shows us this. He was class all that year yet we have have posters on here that are claiming otherwise.
I don't think anyone who defends Akira gets any more sensitive than you when one of your favourites David Havilli has gotten stick in the past (for example).
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@stargazer said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 I assume you mean Tom Robinson (not Robertson).
I did, and knew that was spelling too, just put it down to age.
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@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@cantab79 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Does any NZ player divide opinions as much as Akira Ioane? There is something about Akira Ioane, people either love him or hate him. People can watch the same game and see completely different performances. Fwiw I thought he was excellent with ball in hand.
The trouble with Akira is he is usually excellent with ball in hand, but too often not without the ball, when he not on he will make a tackle coming straight at him usually, but as soon as the attack goes 5 meters wide of him he switches off and goes into jog mode. I get impression he was a very good college player who ran over top of people frequently, and was no doubt a star of his team, and maybe got into bad habits with rest of his game. I have seen him play what I consider probly 4 real good games in all the times I have watched him.
It's hard to take you seriously with comments like that.
Ok enlighten me what are all the real good games he has played. He started last year not even getting on bench for Blues ** (remember the fat f* sitting in the stand eating a pie?)**, he had a few good games, one good test, and really hasn't even held his starting spot in Blues this year. Maybe I was being harsh, but you can't say he has in any year played consistently good rugby, why I get so pissed with him, because of his undoubted potential.
You appear to just be doubling down now. He didn't get selected for the ABs on the back of no form last year. As @Kirwan has mentioned multiple times he was being deliberately held back at the start of last season due to the mental health issues (and quite frankly the overworked he'd been in the previous Blues campaigns). Even this year he hasn't been as bad as you're making out. He was topping the Fern MOTM poll for a few weeks there, and there's no higher authority than that.
But, since you appear to want an extra long run then dust off your videotapes from 2018, he was superb all of that season and Evans (who I'm a big fan of as a Magpies boy) made the ABs instead of him despite not playing as well.
But I guess the tone of the bolded bit means that no matter what he does you'll never give him credit.
Ok so we disagree, I thought in 2018 he was very ordinary, because of his workrate. And as you said Evan made ABs ahead of him, because maybe ABs wanted players that would work all around field. We will never agree, you want someone who will stand around and do a caryy every now and then, I want a player who is involved all the time. Apparently so do Blues coaches as he doesn't seem to be first choice there this year ,again!
Seriously mate, you're completely taking the piss or you've completely forgotten the 2018 season.
At the time when the usual suspects were whining about him and pushing amongst others Taufua's credentials, I reviewed all the contenders stats and Ioane was top or near the top on all attack and defence stats, with the exception of the mythical lean on rucks stats that weren't recorded. When you pointed out to his detractors that he was actually going well in all these stats, then ruck leaning was brought up, then niggle, then the length of his beard etc etc.
Mate, stats will hardly ever tell you story. I have seen stats where a player has made x amount of tackles in a game,etc, but the stats don't tell you how many he didn't attempt because the player didn't run straight at him etc. The coaches usually measure where and when the players are involved.
Of course they don't (more often in the past though they were used to attack Akira), but you combine them with actually watching the games and you can see why Rangi played him for all but a few minutes of the games that season - yet you're claiming you can't think of four good games he's played in total?
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@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@stargazer said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@kiwimurph Or some people are just oversensitive when someone says something remotely critical of Akira (I guess that goes hand in hand with hyping up a player over the years
). I've seen plenty of people commenting on Sotutu, Clarke and Rieko being lacklustre this season, and being outplayed in this game.I don't think people care when Akira gets shit when he's playing average, but as this thread clearly shows no matter how well he plays posters will say he's playing shit or he's always shit.
The 2018 season clearly shows us this. He was class all that year yet we have have posters on here that are claiming otherwise.
Mate ,I didn't think he played that well in 2018, but I quite happy to say that is just my opinion, and some like different things in a 6 than me. I like them to have fairly good all round game. Doesn't mean I'm right though, just what I think.
