Klitschko, Fury, Parker, Takam & Joshua

mimic

tbh, i agree with meetthemonster
parker is about 3 years out imo before mixing it with the top 10-20.. people forget hes very young, but people are hyping him up so much
however, i do like how they are developing him.. working on areas which each fight.. 
 
joshua fought a lot of bums as well.. only his recent fight gave him some sort of credibility imo..

wfballLegends

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You almost had me until the conspiracy theory in that last para proved you are talking out if your arse. 
The reason Parker is ranked is because of the way rankings work, not because a promoter is shouting his name. I agree that it is one of the weird things about boxing that you can climb rankings without beating those above you, but that's the game they all play because the moment you lose to someone ahead of you your climb halts and you start slipping. 
I point again to ranking systems like boxrec that, although not flawless by any means, apply the same system over everybody so rankings are relative if fight numbers are the same. They seem to have Parker around the ranking that most pundits do. 
Bob Sheridan may play up to his NZ audience a touch, but he is also a respected boxing hall of fame commentator that has seen more boxers live over the years than most. 
I think everyone agrees that claims are empty until he steps up but talking up a prospect to try and get those opportunities is not lying. 
Parker is fighting down here because currently that's where he can make money alongside gaining experience. If big names won't fight him yet then he is better off learning his trade where he has support rather than being a low paid undercard fighter. Quite obviously Duco have seen the PPV stats and know they earn from the Samoan community so have locked that in. 
I'm just unsure what you want. You say he's not good enough then complain he isn't fighting big names. What do you want?
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Look mate im looking at this as a boxing fan looking for reality and not marketing bullcrap. How about this for a break down.
 
This is your best top 10 in boxing currently who for after the next 18 - 24 months, Parker most certainly will not get a chance in ring with these guys before that. Dont even entertain the thought!!!! aint going to happen unless pigs begin to fly!

Tyson Fury (Only looking for big money fights) 3 years away
Alexander Povetkin - Would infuriate Parker something chronic - 3 years away
3) Wladimir Klitschko - Would KO Parker due to his poor footwork and open chin - 3 years away
4) Deontay Wilder - KO to Wilder - 3 years away
5) Kubrat Pulev - Parkers best chance to win in the top 10 but too good a technician currently - 2/3 years away
6) Luis Ortiz - Would KO Parker - 3 years away
7) Bermane Stirverne - Very talented boxer prone to an odd off night would outclass parker - 3 years away
8) Bryant Jennings - Read above, huge heart would not go down, no KO power - reminds me of Parker in many ways - 2/3 years
9) Ruslan Chagaev - Hard nut, would make another ideal target for Parker but technically would kill him right now 2/3 years
10) Anthony Joshua - Majorly over-hyped boxer, not truly tested but superb knock out power, would KO parker - 3 years
11) David Haye - Would dead set murder Parker - 3 years away
 
The above tier of boxers I believe are at least 2 to 3 year away targets for Parker to fight due to his current development
 
So this is the lay of the land of what you should expect to see being lined up for Parker
 
Tier 1 - If Duco is serious then within the next 2 years the name targets - whom I think Duco will or should go after go after for Parker that will test him properly and open the bigger fights.
 
Charles Martin - Current IBF champion - solid boxer but lacks flair, probably at his current peak, seriously realistic chance for Parker within 2 years. Doubt he will keep the title though.
Malik Scott - Talented boxer with good record but can not take the next step. Ideal gate keeper
Erkan Teper - Big man who is more akin to a street fighter - easier fight for Parker and matches close to where he is currently with development - would be a test
Antonio Tarver - 47 years old and still winning. Another Gate Keeper fight and a southpaw so DUCO could hype it to high heaven
Steven Cunningham - Does not have the dynamic talent to beat Parker but would give him a hell of a fight.
Carlos Takham - Solid, will never be champion but will give a great showing, great test again
Tony Tompson - Very little left to box for, would take a Parker pay day holliday in NZ, could potentially beat Parker, so danger fight
Derek Chisora - Wild fighter but open to be picked off, Could intimidate parker coming forward - great test.
Tomasz Adamek - Very experienced fighter who wouldnt knock Parker out but could easily outbox him, great test
Artur Szpilka - Dangerous fight for Parker but doesnt have the power punching to knock Parker out either. Test of boxing ability
 
These fights will develop Parker and properly begin to get other boxers and promoters to begin to take notice. These are also more dangerous fights where there is a chance Parker could actually loose.
 
Tier 2 - Watch out more than likely for sometime in the next 18 months these guys who look good, will add to the resume but wont beat parker
 
Lucas Browne
Chrisitian Hammer
Mike Perez
Jarrell Miller
Andy Ruiz
Mariusz Wach
Robert Helenius
Alexander Ustinov
Manuel Charr
 
Tier 3 - Next fight for Christchurch or just after
 
David Price 
Eric Molina
Nagy Aguiela (Who KO Bergman in 1st round!) 
Shannon Briggs 

Tier 4 - anybody else forget it, Duco are just in it for the PPV in NZ

wfballLegends

Its shit like this Lonergan says hahahahahaahahahahahaah 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/76188484/joseph-parker-will-end-the-myth-that-is-anthony-joshua-says-dean-lonergan'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/76188484/joseph-parker-will-end-the-myth-that-is-anthony-joshua-says-dean-lonergan</a>

Crucial

Forget Lonergan, he's there to beat up interest and will talk shit to do so.. 
Guys like Stu Duncan that is a pro match maker are more interesting. 
See <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/74948807/Heavyweight-opponents-duck-for-cover-as-Joseph-Parker-storms-glamour-division">http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/74948807/Heavyweight-opponents-duck-for-cover-as-Joseph-Parker-storms-glamour-division</a> 
And listen to <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Its-not-easy-getting-Joseph-Parker-fights/tabid/506/articleID/110508/Default.aspx">http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Its-not-easy-getting-Joseph-Parker-fights/tabid/506/articleID/110508/Default.aspx</a>

wfballLegends

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Forget Lonergan, he's there to beat up interest and will talk shit to do so.. 
Guys like Stu Duncan that is a pro match maker are more interesting. 
See <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/74948807/Heavyweight-opponents-duck-for-cover-as-Joseph-Parker-storms-glamour-division">http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/74948807/Heavyweight-opponents-duck-for-cover-as-Joseph-Parker-storms-glamour-division</a> 
And listen to <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Its-not-easy-getting-Joseph-Parker-fights/tabid/506/articleID/110508/Default.aspx">http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Its-not-easy-getting-Joseph-Parker-fights/tabid/506/articleID/110508/Default.aspx</a>
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This is just NZ media mate bloating on about Parker. There is very little reality in this. The biggest fighters on the planet meet when the money is 'right', its not in their interest to dodge a great pay day especially when they already have losses on their resume. You have to live in a very sheltered world when you believe every top boxer is avoiding Joseph 'Mike Tyson' Parker. 
You can bank this as FACT - none of the top 20 boxers are running scarred of Parker. Duco have no money to break Parker into the US or UK market, that's why he continues to fight in NZ.
 
They will be struggling to get a top 40 guy to come done and box him here or in Samoa. You think in just under 3 years Parker went from being a top amateur boxer to the most feared heavyweight walking the planet? and sponsored by BK ? Mate he is no Mike Tyson, hell he is no David Tua, nothing about Parker screams knock out King. He is a very good prospect, but nobody is ducking him, he just hasnt got value attributed to him yet. You cant get real street cred value fighting bums, you can in this modern age of boxing ratings get activity points. 
Parker will go after the IBF title, it makes sense, the others ...........................NOPE

wfballLegends

Just of note I actually believe Parkers handlers are stalling his development. He looks from his last 3 fights to have gone backwards. He is all aggression, wild, sloppy and brute force and abandoning his leading with the jab and thinking first about his follow through. He is sticking his chin out far to much on attack, just focused on firing and not concentrating on what is coming back at him. Against a good counter puncher he will lights out parker with a punch he never sees coming. Thats the kind of rubbish a good team would coach out of his game. He has developed some really bad habits. 
Those fights against Costa junior and Sherman, Parker looked so rapidly improved. Wether its the constant fight schedule he is keeping or this bum tour for PPV he is doing, his handlers are getting it wrong and I am concerned that Parker may in fact not just stall but go backwards,
 
Also all the talk of fighters avoiding him, just line up anybody who has fought against Klitschko, Fury, Haye, Wilder, Joshua and lost! - if they have been in the ring with those guys and got blasted out why would they avoid Parker? - Chirosa, Thompson or Whyte for example

Bovidae

Just to prove everyone has an opinion, here's Peter Fury's top 10 heavyweights.
 
1. Tyson Fury 2. Wladimir Klitschko 3. Deontay Wilder 4. Luis Ortiz 5. Charles Martin 6. Alexander Povetkin 7. Joseph Parker 8. Kubrat Pulev 9. Hughie Fury 10. Andy Ruiz Jr
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/76205259/tyson-furys-trainer-rates-joseph-parker-as-seventhbest-heavyweight-in-world'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/76205259/tyson-furys-trainer-rates-joseph-parker-as-seventhbest-heavyweight-in-world</a>
 
Interesting comments about Joshua. Some nepotism there with son Hughie listed.

raznomore

The things i saw that worry 
Bergman was gassed and Parker was unloading using no footwork, leaning all over Bergman and using some sketchy punch selection leaving himself open. A LOT. 
What I loved was the head to body. It was brutal. 
Plenty of guys can take a punch like Bergman valiantly did but Parker needs guys that hit back. 
The has been some awesome stuff ans his handspeed again is probably un matched but hes open for the over hand on either side. There not much head movement and his feet are set in concrete. All stuff I was able to forgive given his seemingly slow rise to the top. But now they want to talk belts and top 10 fighters. 
Hes just not ready. I think if he continues on his way slowly building we'll have a champion on our hands. If he fights bigger names this year im 70% sure he'll lose. 
Side note. The scariest fighter out there for me is Ortiz. 36 years old, nasty big hitter with the cuban boxing pedigree. I think he'll be the fighter to beat over the next 2 years 
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kiwiinmelb

I worry for Parkers reputation with Lonergan mouthing off , they are opposite personalities 
 
His latest is Anthony Joshua is running scared of Parker ,
 
I understand he is trying to boost his profile But just find him a bit cringeworthy ,
 
for those that dont know him , he comes across as a dick

wfballLegends

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Just to prove everyone has an opinion, here's Peter Fury's top 10 heavyweights.
 
1. Tyson Fury 2. Wladimir Klitschko 3. Deontay Wilder 4. Luis Ortiz 5. Charles Martin 6. Alexander Povetkin 7. Joseph Parker 8. Kubrat Pulev 9. Hughie Fury 10. Andy Ruiz Jr
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/76205259/tyson-furys-trainer-rates-joseph-parker-as-seventhbest-heavyweight-in-world'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/76205259/tyson-furys-trainer-rates-joseph-parker-as-seventhbest-heavyweight-in-world</a>
 
Interesting comments about Joshua. Some nepotism there with son Hughie listed.
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You would of got excited as a kiwi boxer supporter until you saw Charles Martin, Hughie Fury and Andy Ruiz Jr - that is a massive piss take by no little stretch aimed at riling up Joshua..

wfballLegends

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The things i saw that worry 
Bergman was gassed and Parker was unloading using no footwork, leaning all over Bergman and using some sketchy punch selection leaving himself open. A LOT. 
What I loved was the head to body. It was brutal. 
Plenty of guys can take a punch like Bergman valiantly did but Parker needs guys that hit back. 
The has been some awesome stuff ans his handspeed again is probably un matched but hes open for the over hand on either side. There not much head movement and his feet are set in concrete. All stuff I was able to forgive given his seemingly slow rise to the top. But now they want to talk belts and top 10 fighters. 
Hes just not ready. I think if he continues on his way slowly building we'll have a champion on our hands. If he fights bigger names this year im 70% sure he'll lose. 
Side note. The scariest fighter out there for me is Ortiz. 36 years old, nasty big hitter with the cuban boxing pedigree. I think he'll be the fighter to beat over the next 2 years 
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I completely agree with you, Ortiz for me is a real deal heavyweight, hopefully we can get 3 or 4 top years out of him.
 
Parkers feet really worry me also, as soon as he fights any of the top 10 quality guys they are going to pick him apart. He needs a seriously good coaching set up to get that rubbish out of him.

taniwharugby

So if you were Parkers manager how would you be doing things, what would you be saying in promoting him and his fights? 
im not a big boxing fan but hasn't the hyperbole and BS been part of it since, well, pretty much ever?

jegga

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So if you were Parkers manager how would you be doing things, what would you be saying in promoting him and his fights? 
im not a big boxing fan but hasn't the hyperbole and BS been part of it since, well, pretty much ever?
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Thats what I thought too, you'd have to talk your man up to make him worth the tv rights to be worth fighting. Barry did much the same with Tua and I remember when he fought Lewis a few boxing commentators discussing how hard he had worked to get Tua to the title fight .

kiwiinmelb

I think the argument with duco is , are they trying to make money from Joseph too early ? 
Horse before the cart situation .? 
If he needs to fight hacks as part of his development that's fine , but is it worth paying the big bucks that they are asking ? 
Are they going to burn fans in the process ?

MN5

You blokes know your modern boxing, some great reading on this thread. I'm in two minds over Klitchko throwing the fight against Fury though, would his ( or anyone else's ) ego allow it ? I'm certain Liston threw his fight with Ali many years ago though..... 
I find it amusing that Tyson Fury think that he and his cousin are gonna be the next Klitchkos though, that's a very bold statement to make.

wfballLegends

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Thats what I thought too, you'd have to talk your man up to make him worth the tv rights to be worth fighting. Barry did much the same with Tua and I remember when he fought Lewis a few boxing commentators discussing how hard he had worked to get Tua to the title fight .
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Hyerbole is totally part of boxing, but dont compare what they are doing with Parker with Tua. If you look at Tua he actually had boxed the best in the division on the way up. He took risks and was exposed on the world scene with HBO night of the young heavyweights, honestly look at who he fought Chris Byrd 33 - 2, Ike Ibeabuchi 16 - 0, Darroll Wilson 17 - 0, John Ruiz 25 - 2, David Izon 18 -1, Oleg Maskaev 10 - 1, Hasim Rachman 29 - 0, Gary Bell 21 - 2, Robert Daniels 39 - 4, Lennox Lewis 37 - 1, Danell Nicholson 39 - 3. Fres Quendo 22 - 0, Michael Moorer 43 - 2
 
All of those guys above were on the most demanding of heavyweight boxing depth charts ever! - while there wasnt a ALi or Tyson era it was probably the most stacked in talent the heavyweight division had seen in a while. And worlds apart from where we are now. Tua earned his title shot against Lewis through his activity in the ring.

wfballLegends

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You blokes know your modern boxing, some great reading on this thread. I'm in two minds over Klitchko throwing the fight against Fury though, would his ( or anyone else's ) ego allow it ? I'm certain Liston threw his fight with Ali many years ago though..... 
I find it amusing that Tyson Fury think that he and his cousin are gonna be the next Klitchkos though, that's a very bold statement to make.
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Im not sure his ego would see this boxing division as much chop anyhow. I reckon money matters in this world, its not about what Klitschko wants either, he has financial backers who will pull his strings and make or break him. They will need money. He aint earning as much as champion anymore. 
And yes Liston took a dive!

MN5

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Im not sure his ego would see this boxing division as much chop anyhow. I reckon money matters in this world, its not about what Klitschko wants either, he has financial backers who will pull his strings and make or break him. They will need money. He aint earning as much as champion anymore. 
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I reckon Jack Johnson took a dive all those years ago too, the black and white photo as Jess Willard is standing over him would appear to show him shielding his eyes from the sun, mind you Jack Dempsey damn near killed Willard when they fought.

kiwiinmelb

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Its shit like this Lonergan says hahahahahaahahahahahaah <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/76188484/joseph-parker-will-end-the-myth-that-is-anthony-joshua-says-dean-lonergan'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/76188484/joseph-parker-will-end-the-myth-that-is-anthony-joshua-says-dean-lonergan</a>
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The problem with this stuff, average kiwis are buying into it , going by the mouthing off on FB , 
 
I personally would like to see the hype train slowed down a little , 
 
They are talking about possible world title shots as early as this year , 
 
What they do from now will be interesting , surely they have to step up the quality of the opponents before they talk world titles ,maybe some opponents that actually throw back would be a start , 
 
I think that is what boxing fans with any knowledge of the sport are feeling

kiwiinmelb

He mentions Haye in that article , 
 
He is one fighter that I would be seriously worried about for Joseph due to the angles he throws from , my gut feeling is Joseph defense is not up to that standard yet and find him way too unpredictable 
 
But there is nothing in a Joseph fight for Haye , no money with a certain amount of risk ,which together spells bad option, so it wont be on their list at his stage of his career , 
 
Maybe Lonergan knows that and he can safely mouth crap like that , knowing its not a realistic option

The Silver Fern

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