World Cup Final match thread
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<p>How many tackles did Carter and McCaw make between 75-78 mins? They seemed to be everywhere in that defensive stand. Good discipline from the ABs too.</p>
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<p>Yep, I thought our discipline was exemplary. We simply had to rein it in after conceding so many penalties against the Boks in the semi.</p>
<p>We really lifted the tempo afetr the Smith YC , and when we did, Aus couldn't live with us. </p> -
Heard Fox telling Veitch that DC topped the tackle count.<br><br>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Crucial" data-cid="537774" data-time="1446344593"><p>I thought that was a big difference too. We could keep our big players on for longer. Subbing Fardy seemed weird.</p></blockquote>
Fardy was dropping off tackles. He dropped off three big ones... Then got subbed. He was playing well for the AB's at the time I thought. -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bovidae" data-cid="538002" data-time="1446366789"><p>How many tackles did Carter and McCaw make between 75-78 mins? They seemed to be everywhere in that defensive stand. Good discipline from the ABs too.</p></blockquote>
Carter might have missed a couple, but man he sure did make a truckload of tackles last night. He was everywhere on the field especially in cover defense. -
<p>So through my 2nd viewing now (admittedly I have worked my way through a bottle of champagne, a few beers and a quality bottle of red this afternoon - its been a good day, so please take with a grain of salt...), here are some random thoughts, focussing on stuff that hasn't been discussed at length already in this thread:</p>
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<p>- Camera work was so frustrating, aerial shots and switching way too much</p>
<p>- Savea was way better than I thought in the 1st half, really busy and always beat the first guy enough to require the attention of another. NMS also, never dies with the ball, never gets shunted back in an offensive tackle.</p>
<p>- The obstruction rule where you run into your own player - is that an actual rule now that if the tackle is "effected", there is no penalty, or just an interpretation from Owens? Saw this twice in the first half.</p>
<p>- Speaking of obstruction, I hate the rule for a kick chase where a defender only has to "not deviate" his line to be legal. This is so daft. Watch Mitchell size up the Savea line on a kick chase, then run "straight" into his way to prevent him challenging for the ball. Mitchell was running at 45 degrees from where the ball was going to land with zero intention of challenging for it - perfectly legal, just a daft rule</p>
<p>- On daft rules, what about the SBW slap-down - why should this be a knock-on? Perfectly legal "tackle", but should be open play for mine, its just a knock-back by SBW isn't it?</p>
<p>- Conrad's D in the 1st half was insane</p>
<p>- So rare for AB's to have such an efficient lineout - we all remember too well watching Anton under/overthrow them, or even Kev with his hand cupping his ear wanting a repeat of the call. I now understand what it must have felt like to be a Bokke supporter when Victor and Bakkes were in their primes, and I like it</p>
<p>- Kuridrani's D was as poor as expected (Nonu running straight past his shoulder a great example) - and on that note, while our first try was wonderful to watch, it has to be said that the Wobbly D line was massively disjointed there.</p>
<p>- I didn't think Kepu's high shot on DC was that bad - sure it was high, but wasn't swinging. No way its a yellow, that's why we have a penalty rule. Hoopah needs to watch those "no look" falling shoulder charges though.</p>
<p>- The Carter clearing kick at 67mins - looks so simple, but is just class</p>
<p>- For NZ - Jerome Fucking Kaino. And DC - "Get up! Get up!!!" Our D line line was so disciplined in the last 10, was amazing. As my 6yr old said watching live, "the Wallabies are going backwards!"</p>
<p>- For Oz, what could have been - if Folau was fit, and Gits (in particular) and Douglas stayed on, it could have been a different game. As NTA said earlier, Foley was really good.</p>
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<p>just a quality final all up.</p>
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Far out. Twickenham threw one hell of a party last night!!! The place went off after the final whistle.<br>
To all the English who made the night so special, in the bars at the ground. Thank you! Thank you for supporting our team, thank you for the hospitality, thank you for the experience.<br>
I was there to watch the AB's arrive at the ground, and was there again to watch them get on the coach after the game. Totally awesome. -
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<p>I thought it could have been a red in real time. Went past horizontal, was only saved by the fact that Mitchell didn't fall on his head.</p>
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<p>Would have been a real shame, and I thought Owens made the right call in the end.</p>
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<p>C'mon Baabaa, you can't watch that tackle and not see the role that Hooper plays* in making it look worse. It could have been a red card but that would have been idiotic! As Crucial notes the red is fair enough, but as I noted when the game was being played Oz were lucky to keep Kepu on the field for 80 minutes.</p>
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<p>Oz TV have been great, they've played the game half a million times and played highlights packages of the other finals (how good was Piri's kick to get us to the lineout that Woody scored from, right?) so I've been watching different parts all day.</p>
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<p>And it was Pocock's head that Kaino tried to remove at 58:05. piston wristed gibbon.</p>
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<p>Next question?</p>
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<p>Seriously Nick? Kaino had one head high, and Kepu had at least 4 dodgy acts. I feel a bit sorry for Kepu, he's usually a clean player but was obviously instructed or thought he needed to be the enforcer for the Wallabies and through share dumb luck he managed to not get binned.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Nepia" data-cid="538051" data-time="1446374582"><p>Seriously Nick? Kaino had one head high, and Kepu had at least 4 dodgy acts. I feel a bit sorry for Kepu, he's usually a clean player but was obviously instructed or thought he needed to be the enforcer for the Wallabies and through share dumb luck he managed to not get binned.</p></blockquote>
Owens gave him a verbal. Warning him that the next time he does it, it'll be treated differently than with a penalty. -
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<p>Owens gave him a verbal. Warning him that the next time he does it, it'll be treated differently than with a penalty.</p>
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<p>Kepu or Kaino?</p> -
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<p>C'mon Baabaa, you can't watch that tackle and not see the role that Hoopah plays* in making it look worse. It could have been a red card but that would have been idiotic! As Crucial notes the red is fair enough, but as I noted when the game was being played Oz were lucky to keep Kepu on the field for 80 minutes.</p>
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<p>Oz TV have been great, they've played the game half a million times and played highlights packages of the other finals (how good was Piri's kick to get us to the lineout that Woody scored from, right?) so I've been watching different parts all day.</p>
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<p>*Not purposely.</p>
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<p>Yeah I agree, that's why I tempered my opinion once I saw the replay. You generally miss those factors in real time because there is so much going on.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="537856" data-time="1446352076"><p>Kirwan - I'm not doing this as a points scoring exercise. I'm using it to point out the referees either missed things or judged them in a different light to other incidents based on what they saw. Some of them I'm less happy with than others. Not going to change anything now.<br><br>
For example: people above are talking about Foley being offside for Genia's kick on the second try. Again, not going to change anything now, but its interesting to look at these and see where refs and their team are making calls and where they're not. Particularly as they're allowed to use the TMO two phases back <strong>edit</strong> from a try being scored <strong>/edit</strong> and could, in theory, check on anything in that period like the bloody NRL do (for which I'm thankful they're not).<br><br>
And I don't see you popping snide remarks at them.<br><br><br><br><br>
? Apologies - I thought you were referring to the Kepu high shot on Carter and I was using the Kaino one as a parallel.<br><br>
Kepu got penalised - probably lucky not to get a yellow.<br><br>
The high shot on Kaino was referred to the TMO on the run. Was about 35m out dead in front, so goal kicking opportunity (tactical advantage). There was no subsequent input from the TMO, or before there was, Owens called advantaged over just as we got to the 22, out on the tram tracks on the right hand side. I thought that was very odd, given to this point we've seen TMOs go back for foul play or refs pull play up to look at it in this RWC. It didn't look like advantage.<br><br>
Guess World Rugby need to work on the TMO guidelines a bit more, and should NOT be introducing them at RWC but have little option given the different broadcast setups for Test rugby across the world</p></blockquote>
Through the refs mic (sports ears) it was Owens who referred it to the TMO to check that incident, whilst play continued. By time the TMO had reviewed it, Owens told him 'advantage over anyway' as play had progressed on. <br>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="kiwiinmelb" data-cid="537991" data-time="1446365432"><p>A kiwi mate said today , <br> <br>All the people who have had great pleasure calling us chokers over the years , <br> <br>Will some time in the near future be hit with the reality , their worst nightmares could come true, we could go 3 in a row</p></blockquote><br>In much the same vein I said this morning to a bunch of rugby mates that we'd spent 24 years making this a world tournament and now we''ll do the three-peat and everyone else would lose interest. Or turn it into a sevens tournament with a cup, plate bowl and shield.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="barbarian" data-cid="538054" data-time="1446374966"><p>Yeah I agree, that's why I tempered my opinion once I saw the replay. You generally miss those factors in real time because there is so much going on.</p></blockquote>
Owens initially thought it to be a penalty only offence. It was the TMO (although without verbaling it) that suggested Owens should take another look at the screen. It was marginal, but then he decided to give the yellow after another viewing on the screen.<br><br>
Fair dues to Smith, he copped it without argument.<br><br>
Owens had a great game. I also saw the refs arrive at the ground, Barnes was getting mobbed for selfies and autographs.<br><br>
But I liked how all the assistant refs waited, outside the building, for Nigel to turn up (who was the last of the officials to arrive) before following him into the stadium dressing rooms.<br><br>
I said to Nigel as he walked past, "let's go Nigel. Have a great game" to which he responded with a wave and s thank you. -
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<p>- The obstruction rule where you run into your own player - is that an actual rule now that if the tackle is "effected", there is no penalty, or just an interpretation from Owens? Saw this twice in the first half.</p>
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<p>Interpretation.</p>
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<p>Owens gave him a verbal. Warning him that the next time he does it, it'll be treated differently than with a penalty.</p>
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<p>Didn't stop him throwing a swinging arm at the back of Richie's head right before NMS's try. Or the niggly shit on the ground to NMS and SBW.</p>
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<p>I'm watching a replay now and fark the Aus lineout is shit. Even when they managed to catch the ball, the throw wasn't straight half the time.</p> -
<p>Stephen Jones in the (UK) <em>Sunday Times </em>was a hoot praising the All Blacks. He really, really must have hated writing that. His RWC XV included 3 ABs - Aaron Smith, Nehe M-S and Carter. He also rated his best moment of the tournament the "final whistle of the NZ-France Quarter-Final" - that game must have given him nightmares.</p>
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<p>Stephen Jones in the (UK) <em>Sunday Times </em>was a hoot praising the All Blacks. He really, really must have hated writing that. His RWC XV included 3 ABs - Aaron Smith, Nehe M-S and Carter. He also rated his best moment of the tournament the "final whistle of the NZ-France Quarter-Final" - that game must have given him nightmares.</p>
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<p>A really enjoyable read... :mocking:</p>
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<p>which lock was better than Whitelock/Retallick? Which 12 better than Nonu? </p> -
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<p>which lock was better than Whitelock/Retallick? Which 12 better than Nonu? </p>
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<p>Exactly. Jones just couldn't allow his anti-AB bias to stay hidden. Was probably wetting himself with the the thought of a Wobblie victory after they cut a 17 point lead to 4 points.</p>
