Tech, monopolies, censorship
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@Kirwan said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:
Yep, I saw it. If you think she was somehow letting Nazis off the hook with that or that was anti-Semitic, I can’t help you.
Typical fern. I didn't say what my interpretation was.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:
Here's an interesting thing.
When slavery was abolished in 1807, a group of African potentates (West Africa, I think) repeatedly petitioned the King against abolition as selling their own people and those they'd conquered was highly lucrative. It's mentioned in my Open University materials
I recall reading this on a number of websites about 15 years ago but can't find a single reference today. I wonder if you brought it up on Twitter or FB it'd be taken down and you'd be banned.
I don't know specifically about that but https://research.cornell.edu/news-features/curious-history-slavery-west-africa
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@Victor-Meldrew the Saharan slave trade , mainly from West Africa, survived into the 2oth century. Some would say it still exists. It's estimated that as many slaves went north as crossed the Atlantic. The Ghanaian, Mali and Songhai empires all profited from slavery. Mansa Musa's wealth was based on gold and salt but he is estimated to have enslaved 5,000 people every year of his reign. When he went on his famous haj, he took 12,000 slaves with him.
In NZ the Treaty of Waitangi outlawed the taking of slaves but did not free anyone who was already a slave so the custom took a while to die out. Most, if not all, of the famous chiefs were slave owners as slavery was an established part of Maori civilisation.
Understandably slaves were keen converts to Christianity.
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@dogmeat said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:
@Victor-Meldrew the Saharan slave trade , mainly from West Africa, survived into the 2oth century. Some would say it still exists. It's estimated that as many slaves went north as crossed the Atlantic. The Ghanaian, Mali and Songhai empires all profited from slavery. Mansa Musa's wealth was based on gold and salt but he is estimated to have enslaved 5,000 people every year of his reign. When he went on his famous haj, he took 12,000 slaves with him.
In NZ the Treaty of Waitangi outlawed the taking of slaves but did not free anyone who was already a slave so the custom took a while to die out. Most, if not all, of the famous chiefs were slave owners as slavery was an established part of Maori civilisation.
Understandably slaves were keen converts to Christianity.
Was very much aware of West African and Nth African slavery - estimated that 2-3 Europeans were traded. I didn't know that about the Treaty and slavery. Fascinating.
My point was African leaders fighting against abolition as much as the US South did, was more about censorship. It is almost impossible to find out about this on the web - whether due to institutions pulling references or search engines pulling results.
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@Victor-Meldrew Listened to a pod last night on the history of Brazil
FFS - the slave trade to Brazil is staggering. Way, way more than the combined Confederate states / Caribbean.
England got Portugal to abandon the trade as part of the deal to move the Portuguese Court to Brazil (fleeing from the Corsican), but the reality was the trade continued for another 70 years. There is apparently a Portuguese expression that translates as tell the English what they want to hear.
As an aside moving the court was on a much bigger scale than I imagined - 15,000 people and all their effects.
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@dogmeat said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:
@Victor-Meldrew Listened to a pod last night on the history of Brazil
FFS - the slave trade to Brazil is staggering. Way, way more than the combined Confederate states / Caribbean.
England got Portugal to abandon the trade as part of the deal to move the Portuguese Court to Brazil (fleeing from the Corsican), but the reality was the trade continued for another 70 years. There is apparently a Portuguese expression that translates as tell the English what they want to hear.
As an aside moving the court was on a much bigger scale than I imagined - 15,000 people and all their effects.
Slavery went on in Sth America until the early 1900's I think.
The other interesting thing is the differentiation between slavery and the European-led slavery on the web when you do a quick search. The former, though far larger, is barely mentioned (e.g. the Ottoman Empire), while the latter is always highlighted.