When should Foster go?
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Will be interesting to see how the coaches react. A whole new approach? New team selections? Back to the same old, same old? One thing about Henry and co. they learnt from their mistakes and there were plenty! 2007, 2009 vs Bok etc. The public saw and understood this I think.
If Foster battens down and does the same old tried things and it doesn't produce a good result, I think the public will go mad! -
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in When should Foster go?:
Will be interesting to see how the coaches react. A whole new approach? New team selections? Back to the same old, same old? One thing about Henry and co. they learnt from their mistakes and there were plenty! 2007, 2009 vs Bok etc. The public saw and understood this I think.
If Foster battens down and does the same old tried things and it doesn't produce a good result, I think the public will go mad!They did change after 07, but it wasn't until the next year we saw the changes. I think we'll see minor tweaks, but same shit. Next year's games will see changes, hopefully under a new coach but sadly unlikely. Those changes probably won't be good enough, same changes we were supposed to see after lions etc. Ineffective changes
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@pukunui said in When should Foster go?:
@DMX said in When should Foster go?:
@nostrildamus said in When should Foster go?:
@DMX said in When should Foster go?:
what kind of message are you sending to the next coaches.
That they need to win matches? That being selected to be head coach should be based on merit, and retained based on performance?
2 losses and your fired? I think any new coach will say first year I need to build , even Henry had that.
I don’t think you get any grace period when you are the “continuity” pick do you? Isn’t that the point?
If he wants credit from the last 8 years then there should be no need for a transition period of shit performances.
If instead there were problems he had identified over the last few years and is now trying to fix them, then what the fuck has he been doing the last few years as an assistant? I don’t buy that he would have been trying to fix things but was getting overruled by Hansen. Hansen endorsed him ages ago.
Pretty sure that NZ rugby will give him the second year of his contract, but he will need to do a fucking sight better than this first year, or he needs to be given the boot.
I agree - if you're the continuity pick it's not like you're coaching someone else's team.
And the harsh reality for Fozzie is that he's not really missing too many big players from their first choice team from last year - by my count Retallick, Read and Bridge (time for the Bring Back Bridge campaign?!
).OK - Retallick is a big loss, but he was some distance from his best at RWC2019.
Most people seemed to think Read was at the end of the road (but, maybe we're missing him more than we thought).
And most people think George has been covered adequately on the left wing.
We've lost Ben Smith, Crotty, SBW and Matt Todd from our RWC squad - but, none of those guys had big roles in a tournament, where we beat the eventual champions, put Ireland and Wales to the sword, and were well beaten, but not uncompetitive against England.
These last couple of performances have not been close to that quality - they've been very poor and dismal results.
So, are we suffering a RWC hangover?
Or is the coaching at fault? Do the players not have faith in the coaching team, or are they just uninspiring?
Foster needs to find some answers or he needs to be gone.
He currently has the second worst AB coaching record - equal with Vodanovic at 40% winning record.
If you compare him with Mitch - who many consider a failure - Mitch had 23 wins, 1 draw and 4 losses. Fozzie needs 21 wins with just 2 losses from here onwards to match Mitch.
91% from here, Fozzie.
You've burned up most of your credits!
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@Chris-B said in When should Foster go?:
(but, maybe we're missing him more than we thought
we might not be if we did something crazy like playing a #8 at #8
just sayin'...
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@Chris-B said in When should Foster go?:
He currently has the second worst AB coaching record - equal with Vodanovic at 40% winning record.
and when was that, the 40's or so?
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@mariner4life You get no arguments from me about playing two 7s in the loose forwards!
Whoever made the excellent post about him fitting pairs of players into the team nailed it.
He's tried to pick safely and it's bitten him on the arse and backed him into a corner.
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@taniwharugby said in When should Foster go?:
@Chris-B said in When should Foster go?:
He currently has the second worst AB coaching record - equal with Vodanovic at 40% winning record.
and when was that, the 40's or so?
1970 and 1971 - vs the Boks and B&I Lions. Two quality teams.
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@Chris-B said in When should Foster go?:
who many consider a failure
i don't.
If only for that glorious 3 week period in 2003 where we stuck 50 past the Boks and the Wallabies on their turf, and then came home to reclaim the Bledisloe.
Mitch cops too much shit. his only problem was picking too many "technically good" Crusader forwards.
Cullen was cooked, suck it up Nepia
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@mariner4life you forgot to put @Nepia
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@taniwharugby said in When should Foster go?:
@mariner4life you forgot to put @Nepia
yeah shit
to be honest i just assumed he had some sort of bat signal that triggered when someone talked shit like that.
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@mariner4life Reading Mitch's book he came across as pretty oddball, so he might have had a few more problems than just selections.
But, results-wise he has copped an unfair amount of shit - and when he was in the job, the media (Deaker, Golightly et al) absolutely went for the jugular.
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@Chris-B said in When should Foster go?:
@mariner4life Reading Mitch's book he came across as pretty oddball, so he might have had a few more problems than just selections.
But, results-wise he has copped an unfair amount of shit - and when he was in the job, the media (Deaker, Golightly et al) absolutely went for the jugular.
i think his history proves that he comes in, has success, and then very quickly wears out his welcome.
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@Chris-B said in When should Foster go?:
Deaker, Golightly
a couple of giant fluffybunnies if ever there was some
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@mariner4life said in When should Foster go?:
@taniwharugby said in When should Foster go?:
@mariner4life you forgot to put @Nepia
yeah shit
to be honest i just assumed he had some sort of bat signal that triggered when someone talked shit like that.
Yep, the shit coach signal - although it doesn’t differentiate between Mitch, the Hammettuer or Philpott.
But, at any rate Cullen was only one of Mitch’s many issues!
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@mariner4life said in When should Foster go?:
@Chris-B said in When should Foster go?:
Deaker, Golightly
a couple of giant fluffybunnies if ever there was some
I would have assumed those two were pro Mitch rather than anti him just going by them all being fluffybunnies.
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@Nepia said in When should Foster go?:
@mariner4life said in When should Foster go?:
@Chris-B said in When should Foster go?:
Deaker, Golightly
a couple of giant fluffybunnies if ever there was some
I would have assumed those two were pro Mitch rather than anti him just going by them all being fluffybunnies.
.....and all having the same shiny head styles
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Reflecting on the Mitch/Deans era, I always got the impression they recognised they would get shit for some of their decisions but a decision needed to be made as they only had two years until the 2003 RWC.
Assuming we get a full international season and Fozzie pulls a 0-13 losing streak, are we handing the same poisoned chalice to Fozzies successor?
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@PecoTrain said in When should Foster go?:
Reflecting on the Mitch/Deans era, I always got the impression they recognised they would get shit for some of their decisions but a decision needed to be made as they only had two years until the 2003 RWC.
Assuming we get a full international season and Fozzie pulls a 0-13 losing streak,He wouldn't get that far.
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@antipodean said in When should Foster go?:
@PecoTrain said in When should Foster go?:
Reflecting on the Mitch/Deans era, I always got the impression they recognised they would get shit for some of their decisions but a decision needed to be made as they only had two years until the 2003 RWC.Assuming we get a full international season and Fozzie pulls a 0-13 losing streak,
He wouldn't get that far.
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I could have posted this in more than one thread:
Scott Robertson and New Zealand Rugby (NZR) are yet to strike a deal, but are making progress on a contract extension which will ensure the Crusaders coach stays put. That will be music to the ears of rugby fans spooked by the All Blacks’ shaky 2020 campaign, one which had some calling for coach Ian Foster’s head after he mustered just three wins from six tests. Locking up Robertson beyond the end of next season should be a priority for NZR administrators, who will need a contingency plan if they opt not to extend Foster’s initial two-year deal through the 2023 World Cup.“Getting there, yeah,” Robertson said of the contract negotiations. “I’ve had some conversations with New Zealand Rugby. They've come down and had a chat, we are just in the process of asking a few questions about processes in the future and what that might look like, so I get a bit of assurance of what they’re thinking when opportunities arrive.” It’s no secret Robertson, having coached the Crusaders to four straight titles since taking over in 2017, wants nothing more than to coach the All Blacks. Should another wonky campaign prompt NZR to move on from Foster at the end of 2021, that opportunity could come as soon as 2022. If not, he will have to wait at least two more years. Even then, nothing is guaranteed.The Covid-19 pandemic has also played a part in an extension not yet being signed, given negotiations were temporarily suspended, Robertson said.He’s also continuing to speak to British and Irish Lions coach Warren Gatland regarding assisting during next year’s tour of South Africa. Robertson doesn’t expect a full-blown assistant’s job, but has floated the possibility of assisting defence coach Andy Farrell. It would need signed off by NZR, which earlier this year gave Crusaders assistant Jason Ryan the green light to join Fiji as their forwards coach. “We’ve had some good conversations the last couple of weeks,” Robertson said on Wednesday. “It wasn't an assistant role I was wanting, it was a learning opportunity for me, to help out with the professional development and to support the current coaching group. It wasn't about being an assistant as such. "Those conversations are continuing … it's a highly likely chance, I'm finding ways I can get there."
