Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18
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Foxy was pretty fired up there wasn’t he. I like that, but it was very defensive.
If Ardie and Bridge are out for reasons out of Fozzies control we will have no idea if he’s learned anything from the conservative selections.
I guess we’ll find out from who gets ten. If it’s RM, then I’ll suspect he will have not changed anything.
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@Bovidae said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
I think we've had more problems in the forwards than in the backs in recent years.
IMHO the problem in the last few years has been a lack of collective leadership when under pressure. Leadership is easy when you are shipping 30+ points on the other side. It tends to get exposed when you're under the pump.
The one crumb of comfort in last weeks game was last 5 minutes when we seemed to a bit more calm and collected when trying to get a winning score..
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@Bones obscure, yes, but when put out to grass, it is mightier than the pen..
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
I suspect this is the JG/RI option. Jack to provide muscle beside Richie, strength and support lines, and Rieko to split rush defence by having amazing acceleration and footwork in a bit of space.
Their first games together, and I think the first start in those positions for both. Can see them perservering, and getting a damn sight better (praying emoji thingy).Well, if that's the grand plan, then Fozzie & co. need to bloody well stick to it for more than 1 or 2 games. Not holding my breath...
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@junior said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@antipodean said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
I actually thought that was pretty good, especially after everyone complaining about The Breakdown in the other thread.
They asked some good questions and I thought Foxy answered them pretty well even if he was a bit agitated.
Definitely defensive though - leading about 'you can't want the ABs to win all the time, and also want a contest - if we have a contest sometimes we lose'. I dunno, as i said, seemed very defensive and agitated.
I got the impression he's sick of the attitude permeating NZ Rugby public that has grown accustomed to unrealistic expectations because of an outlier team even amongst the All Blacks' record.
My issue is that his attitude seems to be "the NZ public has to understand ... there's a lot we're trying to do that the NZ public doesn't understand etc.". My attitude is, well explain to us what we don't know. Tell us what you're thinking is - even after the fact. Maybe then we'll be able to see why certain things were done a certain way and we'll be less critical. But, this don't ask, don't tell stuff just isn't going to cut it with a rugby public who, for the most part, know a bit about the game.
Yeah, felt his comment about how it doesn't matter which backs you pick if your forwards aren't doing the job was condescending and plain wrong. It was 16 all even with our forwards coming 2nd best in most areas, better selections in the backline could have easily swung it our way.
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@Kirwan said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
Foxy was pretty fired up there wasn’t he. I like that, but it was very defensive.
If Ardie and Bridge are out for reasons out of Fozzies control we will have no idea if he’s learned anything from the conservative selections.
I guess we’ll find out from who gets ten. If it’s RM, then I’ll suspect he will have not changed anything.
Isn’t the team selected a collective decision from a group of selectors?
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
Mils sitting beside him was a veteran broadcaster by comparison - measured and stable by comparison
Bit like his play at 15 then.
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@akan004 said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@junior said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@antipodean said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
I actually thought that was pretty good, especially after everyone complaining about The Breakdown in the other thread.
They asked some good questions and I thought Foxy answered them pretty well even if he was a bit agitated.
Definitely defensive though - leading about 'you can't want the ABs to win all the time, and also want a contest - if we have a contest sometimes we lose'. I dunno, as i said, seemed very defensive and agitated.
I got the impression he's sick of the attitude permeating NZ Rugby public that has grown accustomed to unrealistic expectations because of an outlier team even amongst the All Blacks' record.
My issue is that his attitude seems to be "the NZ public has to understand ... there's a lot we're trying to do that the NZ public doesn't understand etc.". My attitude is, well explain to us what we don't know. Tell us what you're thinking is - even after the fact. Maybe then we'll be able to see why certain things were done a certain way and we'll be less critical. But, this don't ask, don't tell stuff just isn't going to cut it with a rugby public who, for the most part, know a bit about the game.
Yeah, felt his comment about how it doesn't matter which backs you pick if your forwards aren't doing the job to be condescending and plain wrong. It was 16 all even with our forwards coming 2nd best in most areas, better selections in the backline could have easily swung it our way.
Yeah frankly that's a complete cop out.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
Foxy was pretty fired up there wasn’t he. I like that, but it was very defensive.
If Ardie and Bridge are out for reasons out of Fozzies control we will have no idea if he’s learned anything from the conservative selections.
I guess we’ll find out from who gets ten. If it’s RM, then I’ll suspect he will have not changed anything.
Isn’t the team selected a collective decision from a group of selectors?
And Fozzie is in charge. Like when Henry forced Hanson to work with Ali Williams, or Hanson forced Fozzie to use Reiko.
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@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Bones obscure, yes, but when put out to grass, it is mightier than the pen..
No.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
I think we've had more problems in the forwards than in the backs in recent years.
IMHO the problem in the last few years has been a lack of collective leadership when under pressure. Leadership is easy when you are shipping 30+ points on the other side. It tends to get exposed when you're under the pump.
The one crumb of comfort in last weeks game was last 5 minutes when we seemed to a bit more calm and collected when trying to get a winning score..
Read was especially disappointing in that regard. McCaw excellent, and Lynagh's leadership in 1991 quarter was legendary.
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@Duluth said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
They see some versatility and combine that with a desire to get other 13s on the park (Ioane, Ennor)
I think it's about pace at 13. Look at the North South match 13's - Ioane, Ennor, PUJ & L Faingaanuku (3 wingers)
The fact Goodhue spent most of SR at 12 makes me think this is a more permanent move (also he tends to stay at 12 when others have subbed on)
Post Lions it seems to me that ABs have been struggling to crack the rush defence strategy.
I love the fact that Goodhue runs straight lines and can weight and time his pass to give his wings space to do their thing. Not something we've been that good at in professional era.
But I suspect the selectors are keen on the miss pass from 10 to outflank rush, and in theory giving Rieko the time and space to do his thing at 13, with wings as back up.
I like ALB at 12 because he has good feet and thus good in tight space and makes excellent decisions. But not sure that's what TWM are looking for strategically.
Expect to see Jack at 12.
P.S. The Japanese fish eating chicks loved the mullet!
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@pakman said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
Read was especially disappointing in that regard.
I know diehard Cantabs who never rated Read as a captain.
McCaw excellent
He became an excellent captain in time. McCaw nearly lost his first test as captain against Wales with a fortunate 1 pt win, and by the 2007 RWC loss had been the captain for 2 seasons, but not without flaws.
Captaincy is easy when you are winning. It's in adversity that we see real leadership.
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@pakman said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Duluth said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
They see some versatility and combine that with a desire to get other 13s on the park (Ioane, Ennor)
I think it's about pace at 13. Look at the North South match 13's - Ioane, Ennor, PUJ & L Faingaanuku (3 wingers)
The fact Goodhue spent most of SR at 12 makes me think this is a more permanent move (also he tends to stay at 12 when others have subbed on)
Post Lions it seems to me that ABs have been struggling to crack the rush defence strategy.
I love the fact that Goodhue runs straight lines and can weight and time his pass to give his wings space to do their thing. Not something we've been that good at in professional era.
But I suspect the selectors are keen on the miss pass from 10 to outflank rush, and in theory giving Rieko the time and space to do his thing at 13, with wings as back up.
I like ALB at 12 because he has good feet and thus good in tight space and makes excellent decisions. But not sure that's what TWM are looking for strategically.
Expect to see Jack at 12.
P.S. The Japanese fish eating chicks loved the mullet!
To me it looks like the tactic when we have clean ball is to try and actually suck the defence forward and get it wide under pressure either by skipped passes or wrapping. Then use two players to interpass on the flank and get through the line with support from the rear. The drawback is that unless you have front foot ball and have drawn in the forwards you end up at high risk of turning over possession wide
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@Snowy said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
But not sure that's what TWM are looking for strategically.
"TWM" is a bit of a stretch so far - assuming that means what it usually does?
The "W" in particular.
Said ironically now
