Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Chris-B my preferred backline would see 12 - ALB, Goodhue - 13, 11 Clarke, 14 - Ioane, 15 BB
I'd put Ioane at 14 because he is more experienced, so should adapt easier than Clarke, who should start.
Well BB isnt my preferred 15, but I think he is the best 15 we have outside chucking in a rookie.
Overall, our problems in the backs are a bit of a transient thing of a. settling on our best combination; and b. getting game time and experience into our young players.
We have got shedloads of talent and three years down the track could go to RWC 2023 with something close to our best ever backline (though we need a young halfback to stick his hand up).
I don't really subscribe to the doom, gloom and criticism of the talent of any of our individual players in the backs. I think any of them could come out and play blindingly well this weekend.
I've got more concerns about our forwards and our coaches.
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@pakman said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
Assuming forwards all fit, my only change would be Sotutu to start with Frizzell, or just maybe Aoane, on bench. Not heard if Nepo’s available.
In backs I’d be very tempted to put ALB at 12, Jack at 13 and Clarke/Bridge(Aussie kicking game)/Jarrett at back. TJP/Roane/DMX bench. Joane unlucky on that basis.Was very impressed with Frizell in SRA but I don't think he is physical enough for Test Rugby after his performance on the weekend. He didn't make any dominant hits and virtually every Aussie forward who ran at him got over the advantage line fairly easily. Need a Kaino type player in that position who can drive the ball carrier back and Frizell isn't that guy. Grace may be the solution in the long term.
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@Chris-B said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Chris-B my preferred backline would see 12 - ALB, Goodhue - 13, 11 Clarke, 14 - Ioane, 15 BB
I'd put Ioane at 14 because he is more experienced, so should adapt easier than Clarke, who should start.
Well BB isnt my preferred 15, but I think he is the best 15 we have outside chucking in a rookie.
Overall, our problems in the backs are a bit of a transient thing of a. settling on our best combination; and b. getting game time and experience into our young players.
We have got shedloads of talent and three years down the track could go to RWC 2023 with something close to our best ever backline (though we need a young halfback to stick his hand up).
I don't really subscribe to the doom, gloom and criticism of the talent of any of our individual players in the backs. I think any of them could come out and play blindingly well this weekend.
I've got more concerns about our forwards and our coaches.
Yeah Agree with that,it starts up front and with the coaches
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While Frizell wasn't a standout strength, at least he wasn't a weak point. Based on his form this year he's worth persevering with.
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any oil on the team @bayimports ?
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Perhaps @bayimports will share via message?
Or, how about we build a team that we think will be selected (not what we want), and then he tells us how many of them match with the sauce team?
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@akan004 said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
Assuming forwards all fit, my only change would be Sotutu to start with Frizzell, or just maybe Aoane, on bench. Not heard if Nepo’s available.
In backs I’d be very tempted to put ALB at 12, Jack at 13 and Clarke/Bridge(Aussie kicking game)/Jarrett at back. TJP/Roane/DMX bench. Joane unlucky on that basis.Was very impressed with Frizell in SRA but I don't think he is physical enough for Test Rugby after his performance on the weekend. He didn't make any dominant hits and virtually every Aussie forward who ran at him got over the advantage line fairly easily. Need a Kaino type player in that position who can drive the ball carrier back and Frizell isn't that guy. Grace may be the solution in the long term.
I like Kaino as much as the next fan (maybe not @Nepia ) but he developed into that dominant defensive force over time. Fortunately he had some quality around him to provide opportunity for development. Remember he played a bit of 8 and off the bench becoming a mainstay as our first choice blindside.
I think we need to allow time for some players. Whether Frizell is that guy, I don’t know because it’s seems like he’s hardly played test rugby.
Same goes with the backs. Our combinations are as green as green things. My expectations were pretty low because so many of these guys had never started a test together and losing Beaudie, overall had limited experience.
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@Chris-B said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
We have got shedloads of talent and three years down the track could go to RWC 2023 with something close to our best ever backline (though we need a young halfback to stick his hand up).
That young 9 Roe from Waikato looked very promising the first few rounds I saw him play.
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
any oil on the team @bayimports ?
BUMP
The asylum is getting restless
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Frizell is big enough, fast enough, but does he seize his opportunities or does he wait for the opposition? Over the last few years I've found the ABs to be too reactive and passive, wait, absorb, then run away once their superior fitness (and handling) starts to shine. Only problem is the other teams can now go 80, are just as skilled and drilled, and if they are more aggressive (Wallabies, Poms), they can overrun the ABs who have no plan B (unless you count bring on BB and hope he gets lucky).
To Foster's credit, I don't see him as relying on Plan B because I did not see Plan A on the weekend.
They need to change 6 to a cunning, hardnosed bastard. And it was clear as daylight when Sotuto charged onto the field that they chose the wrong 8. They need midfielders who are good in their position (Reiko could be, Goodhue was slow but good at 13 so they moved him to 12 where he can be slow and not so good).
They need to choose the best 15. DM is a great sub because no one has a clue what he is going to do (but the unpredictability is more of a liability when he starts). And perhaps they could consider wingers as wingers. Sure they got away with 15 at 11 or 14 in the past but those fullbacks were rather special. Jordie might be faster than he looks (long strides, but, frankly, looks like about as speedy and elusive as an overweight goose) but he didn't seem comfy and hungry at wing. Bridge, Bridge was our Jonah Lomu? In times of trouble, when you need someone to get us over troubled water, well he isn't that Bridge. The opposition must like him though because they kept running at him. At least he is popular. Wonder why.
So I'd count 6, 8, 11, 12, 14, 15 as clearly the wrong selections.
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@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
6/15. 40%. What team can paper over those cracks?
We can! managed to draw with Australia despite them playing pretty well...
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
I like the thinking behind the Goodhue/Ioane midfield. I love the idea of pace at 13. Goodhue is supposedly the physical foil at 12. Well, that's my read on the thinking anyway
The problems are, both are learning the position at the same time (basically given a SRA season to get themselves sorted). And the i don't think Goodhue is actually as physical as he looks like he should be. He doesn't exactly whack blokes in tackles, and he doesn't exactly smack in to the line.
I am happy to persist if there is an actual plan there, and there is tangible progress being made.
The problem for us great unwashed is, the coaching staff don't tell us shit. And NZ rugby "journalism" doesn't push them on anything, or make any sort of analysis. So we work off guess work and fuck all else.
I like the concept of the midfield as well , even if Ioane fucked up last week , his running game in those wider midfield channels does create problems for the opposition , im hoping( not saying it will ) it works as well rather than having two one paced midfielders
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@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
Frizell is big enough, fast enough, but does he seize his opportunities or does he wait for the opposition? Over the last few years I've found the ABs to be too reactive and passive, wait, absorb, then run away once their superior fitness (and handling) starts to shine. Only problem is the other teams can now go 80, are just as skilled and drilled, and if they are more aggressive (Wallabies, Poms), they can overrun the ABs who have no plan B (unless you count bring on BB and hope he gets lucky).
To Foster's credit, I don't see him as relying on Plan B because I did not see Plan A on the weekend.
They need to change 6 to a cunning, hardnosed bastard. And it was clear as daylight when Sotuto charged onto the field that they chose the wrong 8. They need midfielders who are good in their position (Reiko could be, Goodhue was slow but good at 13 so they moved him to 12 where he can be slow and not so good).
They need to choose the best 15. DM is a great sub because no one has a clue what he is going to do (but the unpredictability is more of a liability when he starts). And perhaps they could consider wingers as wingers. Sure they got away with 15 at 11 or 14 in the past but those fullbacks were rather special. Jordie might be faster than he looks (long strides, but, frankly, looks like about as speedy and elusive as an overweight goose) but he didn't seem comfy and hungry at wing. Bridge, Bridge was our Jonah Lomu? In times of trouble, when you need someone to get us over troubled water, well he isn't that Bridge. The opposition must like him though because they kept running at him. At least he is popular. Wonder why.
So I'd count 6, 8, 11, 12, 14, 15 as clearly the wrong selections.
6/15. 40%. What team can paper over those cracks?Holy shit, if you're not a Dad with a line like that well you damn well should be. Brilliant !
Apt too, Bridge is as vanilla as a wing can be. .
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A bit of oil in there
“ The Herald understands young utility back Will Jordan was supposed to be released, along with wing Sevu Reece and prop Tyrel Lomax, to join Ta$man for their Mitre 10 Cup match against Auckland at Eden Park on Saturday.”
Bledisloe blow: All Black star's season over after training injury
