EPL 2020/2021
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@canefan said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel said in EPL 2020/2021:
What have the players said about this? Obviously much smaller competitions but World Series Cricket and Super League got the players on board first before announcing the comp. I’m sure the players will be nicely compensated but not being able to play international games will be a hard pill to swallow.
This could get ugly. Funny that UEFA and maybe FIFA would take the moral high ground, when they along with the IOC are probably the most corrupt sports organisations in the world. I can't see how they can legally block players from representing their countries, and if it works those international tourneys such as the Euros will suffer if a great number of marquee stars are left out
I see no reason why they can’t block them if the national federations are on board. Happened with cricket and league. Shit, the ABs disqualify players who play abroad.
Will we then get parallel, non-sanctioned international games? I just find it incredible that the clubs would make this decision without consulting the players. Could unravel very quickly if they form a united front. But can they say no to that sweet sweet cash?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in EPL 2020/2021:
@canefan said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel said in EPL 2020/2021:
What have the players said about this? Obviously much smaller competitions but World Series Cricket and Super League got the players on board first before announcing the comp. I’m sure the players will be nicely compensated but not being able to play international games will be a hard pill to swallow.
This could get ugly. Funny that UEFA and maybe FIFA would take the moral high ground, when they along with the IOC are probably the most corrupt sports organisations in the world. I can't see how they can legally block players from representing their countries, and if it works those international tourneys such as the Euros will suffer if a great number of marquee stars are left out
I see no reason why they can’t block them if the national federations are on board. Happened with cricket and league. Shit, the ABs disqualify players who play abroad.
Will we then get parallel, non-sanctioned international games? I just find it incredible that the clubs would make this decision without consulting the players. Could unravel very quickly if they form a united front. But can they say no to that sweet sweet cash?
They may block them initially. I guess the longer the new league exists, and if it does well and if the existing comps suffer financially, eventually UEFA and the FAs will come to the table. It happened with cricket and league
On one hand I think it would be wise to consult the players. On the other hand, since when do the owners care what the players think? The fact there were no locker room leaks about this thing (despite it being a rumour for a while), and the comments by Mourinho and Klop against the move suggest they were as surprised as anyone.
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@rancid-schnitzel yeah it seems madness for them not to have sorted this with the players. Any loophole/s or avenues for employment cases will start popping up - especially if playing at a breakaway club meant issues with your national career.
edit: whoops, forgot to say that it does seem madness to keep players (and managers!?) out of the loop... but as @canefan intimates I don't think any of us reckon the owners are doing this for the players!
I have been following a bit of coverage and holy shit there are some very angry fans venting hard. Largely from the UK and tied back to all those 'challenges' that arise when your club is owned by a rich fucker, foreign or not! Def seems like it's for the wider international market and money is insane, as you'd expect with soccer-football I guess.
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@majorrage said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel said in EPL 2020/2021:
What have the players said about this? Obviously much smaller competitions but World Series Cricket and Super League got the players on board first before announcing the comp. I’m sure the players will be nicely compensated but not being able to play international games will be a hard pill to swallow.
Not too much from the current players that I've seen. But Klopp said last night he was against it. He's a fairly big hitter.
Think Milner also echoed Klopp's comments
Liverpool’s Jürgen Klopp and James Milner critical of Super League plans
Jürgen Klopp and James Milner have voiced concerns about the European Super League plan being pursued by Liverpool
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@paekakboyz said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel yeah it seems madness for them not to have sorted this with the players. Any loophole/s or avenues for employment cases will start popping up - especially if playing at a breakaway club meant issues with your national career.
I have been following a bit of coverage and holy shit there are some very angry fans venting hard. Largely from the UK and tied back to all those 'challenges' that arise when your club is owned by a rich fucker, foreign or not! Def seems like it's for the wider international market and money is insane, as you'd expect with soccer-football I guess.
Just asked a Spanish mate (and fanatical Real Madrid fan) about this. His response was:
About time to professionalize football and get rid of the UEFA mafia. People are idiots. UEFA are not the fucking Robin Hood.
This goes back to what I think @canefan said about it hard to view UEFA as the good guys in all this. It also makes me think that Real and Barca fans are probably arrogant enough to not give a shit about the other Spanish clubs and will happily throw them under a bus.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in EPL 2020/2021:
@paekakboyz said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel yeah it seems madness for them not to have sorted this with the players. Any loophole/s or avenues for employment cases will start popping up - especially if playing at a breakaway club meant issues with your national career.
I have been following a bit of coverage and holy shit there are some very angry fans venting hard. Largely from the UK and tied back to all those 'challenges' that arise when your club is owned by a rich fucker, foreign or not! Def seems like it's for the wider international market and money is insane, as you'd expect with soccer-football I guess.
Just asked a Spanish mate (and fanatical Real Madrid fan) about this. His response was:
About time to professionalize football and get rid of the UEFA mafia. People are idiots. UEFA are not the fucking Robin Hood.
This goes back to what I think @canefan said about it hard to view UEFA as the good guys in all this. It also makes me think that Real and Barca fans are probably arrogant enough to not give a shit about the other Spanish clubs and will happily throw them under a bus.
I was just coming to post that I talked with my friend today who is from Paris and is a huge PSG fan, he simply said that he is hoping that PSG joins as it will be awesome. I was really surprised but he essentially followed it up with ‘fuck UEFA’
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@paekakboyz said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel yeah it seems madness for them not to have sorted this with the players. Any loophole/s or avenues for employment cases will start popping up - especially if playing at a breakaway club meant issues with your national career.
edit: whoops, forgot to say that it does seem madness to keep players (and managers!?) out of the loop... but as @canefan intimates I don't think any of us reckon the owners are doing this for the players!
I have been following a bit of coverage and holy shit there are some very angry fans venting hard. Largely from the UK and tied back to all those 'challenges' that arise when your club is owned by a rich fucker, foreign or not! Def seems like it's for the wider international market and money is insane, as you'd expect with soccer-football I guess.
It is an interesting point, that with Super League and WSC there was buy in from the players involved. The resolve of the players in these clubs will be sorely tested if the league goes ahead. Will the players shut up and take the assumed extra money? Or will some of them break contracts and leave?
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@gt12 said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel said in EPL 2020/2021:
@paekakboyz said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel yeah it seems madness for them not to have sorted this with the players. Any loophole/s or avenues for employment cases will start popping up - especially if playing at a breakaway club meant issues with your national career.
I have been following a bit of coverage and holy shit there are some very angry fans venting hard. Largely from the UK and tied back to all those 'challenges' that arise when your club is owned by a rich fucker, foreign or not! Def seems like it's for the wider international market and money is insane, as you'd expect with soccer-football I guess.
Just asked a Spanish mate (and fanatical Real Madrid fan) about this. His response was:
About time to professionalize football and get rid of the UEFA mafia. People are idiots. UEFA are not the fucking Robin Hood.
This goes back to what I think @canefan said about it hard to view UEFA as the good guys in all this. It also makes me think that Real and Barca fans are probably arrogant enough to not give a shit about the other Spanish clubs and will happily throw them under a bus.
I was just coming to post that I talked with my friend today who is from Paris and is a huge PSG fan, he simply said that he is hoping that PSG joins as it will be awesome. I was really surprised but essentially followed it up with ‘fuck UEFA’
Definitely a schism forming there. I wonder what the Italian fans think.
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@gt12 said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel said in EPL 2020/2021:
@paekakboyz said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel yeah it seems madness for them not to have sorted this with the players. Any loophole/s or avenues for employment cases will start popping up - especially if playing at a breakaway club meant issues with your national career.
I have been following a bit of coverage and holy shit there are some very angry fans venting hard. Largely from the UK and tied back to all those 'challenges' that arise when your club is owned by a rich fucker, foreign or not! Def seems like it's for the wider international market and money is insane, as you'd expect with soccer-football I guess.
Just asked a Spanish mate (and fanatical Real Madrid fan) about this. His response was:
About time to professionalize football and get rid of the UEFA mafia. People are idiots. UEFA are not the fucking Robin Hood.
This goes back to what I think @canefan said about it hard to view UEFA as the good guys in all this. It also makes me think that Real and Barca fans are probably arrogant enough to not give a shit about the other Spanish clubs and will happily throw them under a bus.
I was just coming to post that I talked with my friend today who is from Paris and is a huge PSG fan, he simply said that he is hoping that PSG joins as it will be awesome. I was really surprised but essentially followed it up with ‘fuck UEFA’
I'm not surprised that a PSG fan would want to join - the French Ligue 1 is cake walk for them and the only thing they have to play for each year is the Champions League. I imagine PSG is waiting to see if they can win the CL this year and, once that box has been ticked, then jump ship to the ESL.
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@junior said in EPL 2020/2021:
@gt12 said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel said in EPL 2020/2021:
@paekakboyz said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel yeah it seems madness for them not to have sorted this with the players. Any loophole/s or avenues for employment cases will start popping up - especially if playing at a breakaway club meant issues with your national career.
I have been following a bit of coverage and holy shit there are some very angry fans venting hard. Largely from the UK and tied back to all those 'challenges' that arise when your club is owned by a rich fucker, foreign or not! Def seems like it's for the wider international market and money is insane, as you'd expect with soccer-football I guess.
Just asked a Spanish mate (and fanatical Real Madrid fan) about this. His response was:
About time to professionalize football and get rid of the UEFA mafia. People are idiots. UEFA are not the fucking Robin Hood.
This goes back to what I think @canefan said about it hard to view UEFA as the good guys in all this. It also makes me think that Real and Barca fans are probably arrogant enough to not give a shit about the other Spanish clubs and will happily throw them under a bus.
I was just coming to post that I talked with my friend today who is from Paris and is a huge PSG fan, he simply said that he is hoping that PSG joins as it will be awesome. I was really surprised but essentially followed it up with ‘fuck UEFA’
I'm not surprised that a PSG fan would want to join - the French Ligue 1 is cake walk for them and the only thing they have to play for each year is the Champions League. I imagine PSG is waiting to see if they can win the CL this year and, once that box has been ticked, then jump ship to the ESL.
A pundit on ESPN believes PSG is a pivotal club for the new venture. If they join, Ligue 1 is poked
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Just reading a bit about the formation of the PL. One of the original “Big 5” approached about forming a new league was Everton! Times have changed. Should have found an oil sheik.
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@junior said in EPL 2020/2021:
I'm not surprised that a PSG fan would want to join - the French Ligue 1 is cake walk for them and the only thing they have to play for each year is the Champions League. I imagine PSG is waiting to see if they can win the CL this year and, once that box has been ticked, then jump ship to the ESL.
The same PSG whose currently second in Ligue 1 with 2 other clubs within 2 points?
They are the biggest club, undoubtedly, but I wouldn't say it's a cake walk.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in EPL 2020/2021:
Just reading a bit about the formation of the PL. One of the original “Big 5” approached about forming a new league was Everton! Times have changed. Should have found an oil sheik.
History repeats right??? I can't imagine the FA was pleased about the EPL back then
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@canefan said in EPL 2020/2021:
@junior said in EPL 2020/2021:
@gt12 said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel said in EPL 2020/2021:
@paekakboyz said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel yeah it seems madness for them not to have sorted this with the players. Any loophole/s or avenues for employment cases will start popping up - especially if playing at a breakaway club meant issues with your national career.
I have been following a bit of coverage and holy shit there are some very angry fans venting hard. Largely from the UK and tied back to all those 'challenges' that arise when your club is owned by a rich fucker, foreign or not! Def seems like it's for the wider international market and money is insane, as you'd expect with soccer-football I guess.
Just asked a Spanish mate (and fanatical Real Madrid fan) about this. His response was:
About time to professionalize football and get rid of the UEFA mafia. People are idiots. UEFA are not the fucking Robin Hood.
This goes back to what I think @canefan said about it hard to view UEFA as the good guys in all this. It also makes me think that Real and Barca fans are probably arrogant enough to not give a shit about the other Spanish clubs and will happily throw them under a bus.
I was just coming to post that I talked with my friend today who is from Paris and is a huge PSG fan, he simply said that he is hoping that PSG joins as it will be awesome. I was really surprised but essentially followed it up with ‘fuck UEFA’
I'm not surprised that a PSG fan would want to join - the French Ligue 1 is cake walk for them and the only thing they have to play for each year is the Champions League. I imagine PSG is waiting to see if they can win the CL this year and, once that box has been ticked, then jump ship to the ESL.
A pundit on ESPN believes PSG is a pivotal club for the new venture. If they join, Ligue 1 is poked
I dont think ligue 1 would be that affected, just 1 club. They are nouveau rich, not a great history.
But, yes, all that Kuwaiti money or whatever gulf state they are, have created a gulf (pun intended). But it is quite recent, Lyon won 6 in a row not long ago.
Ligue 1 is a mess though, break down with Canal Plus.
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@rapido said in EPL 2020/2021:
This is interesting.
Spurs and Arsenal still owe the Bank of England (and thus the taxpayer), a combined £295m through the Covid Corporate Financing Facility (CCFF). One of the terms of this is that they ‘make a material UK contribution”.
The argument will be that they won't stop making a material contribution. Remember, this is setup to run alongside. Any rulings which cut them out of EPL would not be Arsenal's (direct) decision.
The real crux will be this vs Champions League.
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@rapido said in EPL 2020/2021:
I get the feeling the gulf owned sportswashing clubs are way less keen than the American owned clubs plus Barca, Real and Juve.
The rumours are that Man City and Chelsea weren't that keen but joined because of the fear of missing out.
One group in it for profit , other group in for the good PR and ignore the costs.
A quote by Arsène Wenger in 2018:
“Owners of football clubs aren’t owners anymore.. they’re investors.”
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So got hold of an Italian (Juventus supporter). Initially skeptical but now supports the new league. Apparently the profit sharing in the Italian league is shit and this means more money for the “good” teams.
So yeah, we (understandably)appear to be getting a rather Anglo view of things. This thing most certainly is not DOA. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
