AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?
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..and of course you don't have any power in a AB selection. So your pure objective analysis won't get put to the test.
My point was simply that in the real world people have a bias towards teams they support. That may be unconscious.
It's a factor in team selection.. particularly on a close callI'm not expecting a squad full of Chiefs. However I would be shocked if it is as low as 3, which some people have predicted.
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@antipodean said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
I'm sure plenty of people aim for that ideal and tell themselves that.
When it comes to a close call people have emotions and they have an influence. The person with the bias will often claim they have none.
not me, i hate the Chiefs, and would rather see most of them shot than play test rugby.
What impact would the Chiefs beating the Canes by a million points have on that position?
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@Snowy said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
I just want to see the best players play in the rep teams with no bias
I agree that's an ideal that should be aimed for
In reality that's impossible.
But yes I'd hope there was no conscious bias from a selector and hopefully robust arguments would minimise unconscious bias. It's always going to be there though.
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If we are looking at Fozzies history, expect barely deserving Waikato players to be selected
Pen Sevu Reece in to the 14 jersey right now.
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@Tim said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
It would be a shame, given the talent available, if a player as limited as Boshier was selected for the squad. No dominance when tackling or carrying.
if he was Australian they would call him one of the best openside flankers in the world
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@mariner4life The new Pocock!
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@Tim said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
It would be a shame, given the talent available, if a player as limited as Boshier was selected for the squad. No dominance when tackling or carrying.
He wouldn't be in my squad. I'm expecting him to be named though
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usually the selections due to bias at least come from the dominant team (Auckland players in the late 80s early 90s, Crusaders players in the late 90s, early 00s). It would take some balls to stick your favourites from the team with the big donut in the win column in to the squad.
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@mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
usually the selections due to bias at least come from the dominant team (Auckland players in the late 80s early 90s, Crusaders players in the late 90s, early 00s). It would take some balls to stick your favourites from the team with the big donut in the win column in to the squad.
Given up on the last game already?
Who are the Chiefs guys on the cusp? Boshier and Dmac? I can't imagine outrage from media or general public if those guys are included
There'll be pissing and whining about who misses out in the loosies and outside backs because there is so much talent. But that will happen no matter who is selected.
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@mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
usually the selections due to bias at least come from the dominant team (Auckland players in the late 80s early 90s, Crusaders players in the late 90s, early 00s). It would take some balls to stick your favourites from the team with the big donut in the win column in to the squad.
That's the sort of confidence you want to see!
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@Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
I think every squad people post should be prefixed with either 'what I'd pick' versus 'what will be picked' often a big difference. We've got a coach who got in on a ‘continuity and experience’ ticket, I can see him picking a ‘continuity and experience’ team - recently the ABs coaches went for form rather than experience. Maybe that didn’t work so well at RWC in their minds. Expecially after many years of trusting experience did so well for them? So I think we will see very conservative selections, but I hope they are bold
There's absolutely no reason why in this of all years a "form over experience" approach shouldn't be tried for most positions. If you look at the guys currently playing well, they're all pretty young guys either at the beginning of the SR or AB careers and who are likely to be at their peaks in 2023. Now is the perfect opportunity to take a punt on some of these guys and set them on the path to be the incumbents for 2023.
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@Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
usually the selections due to bias at least come from the dominant team (Auckland players in the late 80s early 90s, Crusaders players in the late 90s, early 00s). It would take some balls to stick your favourites from the team with the big donut in the win column in to the squad.
Given up on the last game already?
Who are the Chiefs guys on the cusp? Boshier and Dmac? I can't imagine outrage from media or general public if those guys are included
There'll be pissing and whining about who misses out in the loosies and outside backs because there is so much talent. But that will happen no matter who is selected.
i for one intend to come riding in here hard, besmirching some, white knighting others, and generally shit stirring all over the squad announcement thread
FWIW only Cane and ALB should get in from the Chiefs. And even then ALB on his previous body of work.
I guess Laulala as well, but seeing as how the Chiefs scrum was on skates, and he was opposite a nobody
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@junior said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
I think every squad people post should be prefixed with either 'what I'd pick' versus 'what will be picked' often a big difference. We've got a coach who got in on a ‘continuity and experience’ ticket, I can see him picking a ‘continuity and experience’ team - recently the ABs coaches went for form rather than experience. Maybe that didn’t work so well at RWC in their minds. Expecially after many years of trusting experience did so well for them? So I think we will see very conservative selections, but I hope they are bold
There's absolutely no reason why in this of all years a "form over experience" approach shouldn't be tried for most positions. If you look at the guys currently playing well, they're all pretty young guys either at the beginning of the SR or AB careers and who are likely to be at their peaks in 2023. Now is the perfect opportunity to take a punt on some of these guys and set them on the path to be the incumbents for 2023.
We kinda of tried that last year to little success.
