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@MajorRage said in Parenting:
@MajorRage said in Parenting:
Your grades get marked down now for university entrance, Labour are talking about charging VAT / Tax on it (which is insanely fucking stupid but is likely to happen - imagine paying a tax to save a government money
Am I right in saying there is no government allocation to private schools at all in the UK?
Contrast that to Australia, where there is a lot of contention about how much government funding goes into schools outside the public system, and what forms it takes (grants, direct funding etc)
I don't mind a system where tax money is evenly distributed e.g. regardless of what school a kid goes to, they're supported by appropriate state/federal tax money to the same degree. If you want to pay overs, then you pick your school and pay the difference.
No, zero. But they have charitable status which means they don't pay tax. It does mean they can channel funds more efficiently, which I have no problems with a crack down on (i.e - rich guy donates 2mill to a charity, it's a tax write off etc), but the idea of adding VAT is absurd. This also removes the requirement that the schools do things with the communities / state schools. So if 20% is added, the schools will immediately remove everything they don't need to (saves about 10%) to keep as many students as they can.
It doesn't fucking help that Starmer straight up lies when he says the Government is giving them money. It's bullshit. They are just not demanding they charge VAT. The even stupider thing is which subset of parents do you think will no longer be able to afford private school due to this ... Certainly not the CEO's, HF managers Actuaries ....
It’s somewhat related (and somewhat not) but Gladwell’s story about private HEI’s in the USA suggest that they are truly fucking the government and their students.
He wrote about (edit) Princeton (fees 80k a year) having returns on their endowments actually covering costs and then some.
I’m not suggesting that private schools in the UK are in that boat, but if I were in government I’d want to see that they were using their tax status as intended.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Parenting:
@barbarian said in Parenting:
@Rancid-Schnitzel I don't actually think my parents will really mind. My dad just has a very deep connection to the place - he went there, he taught there for the vast majority of his working life, he coached sport there, he practically lived there. Still works there now in his retirement.
So saying we're taking our son elsewhere may come as a blow, but we just can't afford it. Which is almost a luxury because if we could afford it I'm not sure we'd want to send him there either, and THAT is a much tougher conversation...
It's definitely worthy of a cost-benefit analysis. You can go on one hell of family holiday for one year of school fees.
Some places you can buy a house ...
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Parenting:
@barbarian said in Parenting:
@Rancid-Schnitzel I don't actually think my parents will really mind. My dad just has a very deep connection to the place - he went there, he taught there for the vast majority of his working life, he coached sport there, he practically lived there. Still works there now in his retirement.
So saying we're taking our son elsewhere may come as a blow, but we just can't afford it. Which is almost a luxury because if we could afford it I'm not sure we'd want to send him there either, and THAT is a much tougher conversation...
It's definitely worthy of a cost-benefit analysis. You can go on one hell of family holiday for one year of school fees.
Some places you can buy a house ...
Yeah, but Palmerston North has some downsides too
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@MajorRage said in Parenting:
@MajorRage said in Parenting:
Your grades get marked down now for university entrance, Labour are talking about charging VAT / Tax on it (which is insanely fucking stupid but is likely to happen - imagine paying a tax to save a government money
Am I right in saying there is no government allocation to private schools at all in the UK?
Contrast that to Australia, where there is a lot of contention about how much government funding goes into schools outside the public system, and what forms it takes (grants, direct funding etc)
I don't mind a system where tax money is evenly distributed e.g. regardless of what school a kid goes to, they're supported by appropriate state/federal tax money to the same degree. If you want to pay overs, then you pick your school and pay the difference.
No, zero. But they have charitable status which means they don't pay tax. It does mean they can channel funds more efficiently, which I have no problems with a crack down on (i.e - rich guy donates 2mill to a charity, it's a tax write off etc), but the idea of adding VAT is absurd. This also removes the requirement that the schools do things with the communities / state schools. So if 20% is added, the schools will immediately remove everything they don't need to (saves about 10%) to keep as many students as they can.
It doesn't fucking help that Starmer straight up lies when he says the Government is giving them money. It's bullshit. They are just not demanding they charge VAT. The even stupider thing is which subset of parents do you think will no longer be able to afford private school due to this ... Certainly not the CEO's, HF managers Actuaries ....
It’s somewhat related (and somewhat not) but Gladwell’s story about private HEI’s in the USA suggest that they are truly fucking the government and their students.
He wrote about (edit) Princeton (fees 80k a year) having returns on their endowments actually covering costs and then some.
I’m not suggesting that private schools in the UK are in that boat, but if I were in government I’d want to see that they were using their tax status as intended.
Yeah, Gladwell has a point. But as you say Princeton is hardly representative of the wider private education sector.
Private schools in the UK are much much wider than Eton & Harrow. There are 600,000 students in them all across the country. I doubt anybody would have even heard of where my kids go, where my son is applying for senior schools & any of the schools we attend for sporting. Hell, up until a few months ago, most people in the UK wouldn't have either. With the royals going to Lambrook, that has changed somewhat, but I suspect most would be very very surprised at what Lambookr is like. It's a very down to earth, boring looking school. Certainly none of the pride and prestige you'd expect from Royalty.
Reality is that almost all private schools in the UK are 5-600 student schools with fees around 8-9k per year (junior) to around 18-20k per year (senior). The ones that get all the coverage are the 50k p/year, 1000 students plus, which in reality, are nothing more then a small minority.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Parenting:
@barbarian said in Parenting:
@Rancid-Schnitzel I don't actually think my parents will really mind. My dad just has a very deep connection to the place - he went there, he taught there for the vast majority of his working life, he coached sport there, he practically lived there. Still works there now in his retirement.
So saying we're taking our son elsewhere may come as a blow, but we just can't afford it. Which is almost a luxury because if we could afford it I'm not sure we'd want to send him there either, and THAT is a much tougher conversation...
It's definitely worthy of a cost-benefit analysis. You can go on one hell of family holiday for one year of school fees.
Some places you can buy a house ...
Yeah, but Palmerston North
has someonly downsides tooFixed
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@MajorRage said in Parenting:
Private schools in the UK are much much wider than Eton & Harrow.
Just to confuse matters, these 2 fee charging, independent schools are known as Public Schools aren’t they?
Correct. Them and a few others are a subset of independent schools, which is the UK terminology for private schools.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Parenting:
Just further on my son's ex. She is apparently now a they. She changed her name from Oceania to Tobias. What the actual fůck?
Guy at my mate's work has a wife.
Wife has decided to become a man.
A cock is being put on in a few weeks.
Weird thing is, he is still committed to her.
Fully supports it apparently. (love transcends physical boundaries or some shit)
I don't believe it.
Deep down, I bet he is thinking WTFThat's the most beautiful poem I've read in a long time.
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@mariner4life said in Parenting:
I didn't think the stickadicktomy was a real thing
It is , sometimes it takes a couple goes before you can one that takes and doesn't rot off . In fact you can hedge your bets these days and keep the taco and add a hotdog.
See how much of this article you can make it through , I'm sure you all miss me sharing this kind of quality content.
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The Boy just got dumped. First gf. He's taking it hard so I had a chat to him after he drank a suitable quantity of bourbon while I enjoyed a rum and related my experience of getting the arse at that age.
I look forward to Mrs TA getting indignant over any or all of the following:
- that he's using alcohol to get over it (her Dad is an alco and she's a total bloody straight about that stuff)
- that someone had the temerity to dump her little boy+
- when I point out she has no useful advice to give, as she's never been dumped in her life.
+Despite him being somewhat of a neckbeard, with a weight problem and an unwholesome addiction to the zone immediately between the PS5 and the couch.
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@mariner4life said in Parenting:
I didn't think the stickadicktomy was a real thing
It is , sometimes it takes a couple goes before you can one that takes and doesn't rot off . In fact you can hedge your bets these days and keep the taco and add a hotdog.
See how much of this article you can make it through , I'm sure you all miss me sharing this kind of quality content.
Jesus, perhaps you need to go into isolation again. Fucken hell pal
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So, when to get kids first phone?
My son turns 11 this week and that is sort of the “standard” where we live. I’m a bit dubious as he’s quite a young 11. And he hasn’t asked for one much either (he really wants Jordan’s which makes me proud). A few of his buddies have them, maybe 30%.
When did others take the plunge and any advice?
Just talking boys here, I suspect girls is a whole other ball game ….
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@Machpants said in Parenting:
Secondary school for all our kids, which is a bus ride rather than a walk home away.
same.
We passed over our second hand phones, and got google family installed to lock time/limit access. it genuinely bricks the phone -but they can still call you if needed.
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As we live rurally, we did intermediate, but was a text only plan, and they were our old phones and were only family contacts in thier phones.
Interestingly enough, a few months ago, the kids (17 & 14) suggested we use the 'Life 360' app, which means we can track them (and they us)
Is most useful for TR jnr who is still on his restricted and often goes straight from work to his mates, and never let's us know he has arrived (40 min drive on unlit windy roads out to Ngunguru)
Was also great last weekend when TR jnr went to sound splash in Raglan.
Is a bit creepy though that this is available if not used as it is intended and the paid version gives more data too.
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