Coronavirus - UK
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Trains and tubes as packed as they've ever been pre-COVID. Mask wearing at 20%. I work in Mayfair/Soho and streets very busy. Every restaurant I've had a work lunch meeting in is 100% full tables by 1pm.
I did go a large (~700 person) awards dinner on Friday night where they asked for vaccine passports on entry, first time have had to show those. No one has to wear masks apart from the serving staff which I found uncomfortable; at this point its just enforcing social boundaries rather than anything health-related.
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@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
Brit ferners can you please clarify?
Are all covid restrictions gone now? Or purely optional with no punitive repercussions?
A couple of sentences about what's happening at ground level would be great.
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As above, pretty much all gone, though some local regulations mean masks on transport and shops can mandate them.
I work in our local community shop a day a week and while all the signs have been taken down, most people are still wearing masks & distancing.
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
Trains and tubes as packed as they've ever been pre-COVID. Mask wearing at 20%. I work in Mayfair/Soho and streets very busy. Every restaurant I've had a work lunch meeting in is 100% full tables by 1pm.
I did go a large (~700 person) awards dinner on Friday night where they asked for vaccine passports on entry, first time have had to show those. No one has to wear masks apart from the serving staff which I found uncomfortable; at this point its just enforcing social boundaries rather than anything health-related.
Exactly the same in the city.
Decent q for water and city today too apparently.
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You have to admire the optimism.
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Salad-dodger.
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
You have to admire the optimism.
so beggars CAN be choosers
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2 year Anniversary
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Common sense at last
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
You have to admire the optimism.
so beggars CAN be choosers
Jeez. I just liked a post from February.
I've got to smarten up my Ferning ...
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@MiketheSnow Looks like a scam journal, it isn't indexed anywhere. Besides, vaccine reviews would not be published in a journal of "insulin resistance".
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The UK has had a pandemic, got a lot of things badly wrong and a lot of things really well. We all want to to find out ways we can avoid mistakes - well, apart from a few who want to focus on "racism as a key issue" in 120k deaths.
Covid inquiry: Race should be at its core, say campaigners
A coalition of organisations says the official inquiry does not focus enough on the role of racism.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
The UK has had a pandemic, got a lot of things badly wrong and a lot of things really well. We all want to to find out ways we can avoid mistakes - well, apart from a few who want to focus on "racism as a key issue" in 120k deaths.
A coalition of organisations says the official inquiry does not focus enough on the role of racism.
To be fair, I do actually agree that race is something that does need to be looked at as it's pretty shocking disparity between deaths as a percentage across racial classes.
Perhaps if the campaigners were to start by looking at race, without assuming immediate racism, then the results / findings would make for interesting reading. However, when you start researching something with the conclusion already decided (the UK is racist), then all of your research comes from a point of finding the self fulfilling prophecy.
An example is this comment here: "He was going to work with his winter gloves and scarves as makeshift PPE. There's nothing more this man could have done to try and stay alive," Lobby said.
Yep, that sounds pretty shit. Now, were all white people fully ppe'd up and only the other races subject to using their own clothes? If that's the case, then that's clear racism. If it's not, then that's got nothing to do with racism. If you took a sample of 100 white / 100 non white in the same situation and you see you have 5 white deaths and 20 non-white, then that is an issue with race which needs to be investigated.
But if you start with the narrative that it's racism, then you've already made your conclusion.
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@MajorRage said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
But if you start with the narrative that it's racism, then you've already made your conclusion.
You made the point way better than me. The inquiry needs to look at higher deaths among some ethnic minorities as a key issue, but these things need to be looked at in a colour-blind way so we can learn and make changes.
Using skin-colour & culture as a lens has a huge risk of distorting the truth around stuff like lower vaccination rates, family size, the effectiveness of isolation in different cultures etc
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National Poetry Day in the UK
Thank fuck I ignored the stay at home horseshit and walked the dog three times a day; visited family & friends; and went skiing in the Brecon Beacons
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GET FUCKED SAGE
Brits urged to wear face masks again as Arcturus Covid strain spreads across UK
The continuous spread of the super-infectious Covid variant Arcturus means the British public should revert to once again using face masks to protect themselves on public transport, it's been claimed
Can't believe people are already wearing them again in London
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And yet...
The tracing app for England and Wales was downloaded around 30 million times.
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@MiketheSnow But wait. There will be a booster in due time!!
I don't care whether people wear masks as long as they don't expect me to wear one. They are useless anyway but they serve as comfort to those in bad health, like to virtue signal and have anxiety issues.
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@broughie said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow But wait. There will be a booster in due time!!
I don't care whether people wear masks as long as they don't expect me to wear one. They are useless anyway but they serve as comfort to those in bad health, like to virtue signal and have anxiety issues.
Agreed
But can see the usual fucktards making them compulsory on public transport and in certain settings again given half the chance to ‘show their power’
Cue Drakeford
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
GET FUCKED SAGE
Brits urged to wear face masks again as Arcturus Covid strain spreads across UK
The continuous spread of the super-infectious Covid variant Arcturus means the British public should revert to once again using face masks to protect themselves on public transport, it's been claimed
Can't believe people are already wearing them again in London
We popped into Regent Street on the train/tube yesterday. I don't recall seeing one mask on our journey. Even walking through Green and Hyde Parks where it was absolutely stacked and they're setting up for the coronation.
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
GET FUCKED SAGE
Brits urged to wear face masks again as Arcturus Covid strain spreads across UK
The continuous spread of the super-infectious Covid variant Arcturus means the British public should revert to once again using face masks to protect themselves on public transport, it's been claimed
Can't believe people are already wearing them again in London
We popped into Regent Street on the train/tube yesterday. I don't recall seeing one mask on our journey. Even walking through Green and Hyde Parks where it was absolutely stacked and they're setting up for the coronation.
Good
Down Greenwich way a different story apparently
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To quote Taupin & John 'Sorry seems to be the hardest word'
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I actually thought he (Dawkins) came out of that as quite measured and reasonable, as did the interviewer despite his clear slant on things. Dawkins main point is that in such a short space of time within a period of great turmoil it is rare for science to provide a clear cut answer. The counter to that was to give the population the truth - ie we don't know and let them make up their own minds and to this I would say two words to you.
Boaty McBoatface.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
I actually thought he (Dawkins) came out of that as quite measured and reasonable, as did the interviewer despite his clear slant on things. Dawkins main point is that in such a short space of time within a period of great turmoil it is rare for science to provide a clear cut answer. The counter to that was to give the population the truth - ie we don't know and let them make up their own minds and to this I would say two words to you.
Boaty McBoatface.
The tweet which was referenced was from Spring 21
He'd had enough time to get off the bandwagon by that point in time
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
The counter to that was to give the population the truth - ie we don't know and let them make up their own minds.
Ironically given what we know now this probably would have resulted in better outcomes for most.
Unless of course we're all comfortable with the greatest wealth transfer of money in the history of the world from poor people to rich people - in which case carry on then.
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Ironically using the “given what we know now” stance actually supports his statements.
As to the “better off” and “biggest transfer of wealth “ statements, any actual assertations, measurements, numbers, facts? Or is it just opinion?
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@Windows97 said in Coronavirus - UK:
Ironically given what we know now this probably would have resulted in better outcomes for most.
Hindsight again. Leaders just didn't have that option. They needed to balance decisions & statements against their effect on public perception and behavior. If they were brutally honest and said "we don't know", there would likely have been panic - a point Dawkins makes really well.
Could things have been handled better? Absolutely and probably will be if we get another pandemic.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
Dawkins main point is that in such a short space of time within a period of great turmoil it is rare for science to provide a clear cut answer.
Yep. I clearly recall Vallance & Whitty - both eminent men of science - making that point time and time again during the pandemic. When everyone in the media was raging about bad the UK death rates were, they were cautioning us to look at long-term excess death rates -which would take years to quantity accurately
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Windows97 said in Coronavirus - UK:
Ironically given what we know now this probably would have resulted in better outcomes for most.
Hindsight again. Leaders just didn't have that option. They needed to balance decisions & statements against their effect on public perception and behavior. If they were brutally honest and said "we don't know", there would likely have been panic - a point Dawkins makes really well.
Could things have been handled better? Absolutely and probably will be if we get another pandemic.
Not if that fuckwit menace Ferguson is anywhere near the discussion
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My big takeaway from the pandemic - and the 'climate emergency' - is life mandated by the models and the modelers is a recipe for disaster
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
Stochastic modelling = current best guess*
*may be liable to multiple changes
Chicken Little's best guess
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Windows97 said in Coronavirus - UK:
Ironically given what we know now this probably would have resulted in better outcomes for most.
Hindsight again. Leaders just didn't have that option. They needed to balance decisions & statements against their effect on public perception and behavior. If they were brutally honest and said "we don't know", there would likely have been panic - a point Dawkins makes really well.
Could things have been handled better? Absolutely and probably will be if we get another pandemic.
Leaving them free to make different mistakes
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Windows97 said in Coronavirus - UK:
Ironically given what we know now this probably would have resulted in better outcomes for most.
Hindsight again. Leaders just didn't have that option. They needed to balance decisions & statements against their effect on public perception and behavior. If they were brutally honest and said "we don't know", there would likely have been panic - a point Dawkins makes really well.
Could things have been handled better? Absolutely and probably will be if we get another pandemic.
Leaving them free to make different mistakes
Probably - as the variables will have changed too.
