'Super Rugby' 2021
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@Bovidae Good bet. To be honest - it's looking more and more likely that we are done for. No TV deal, no confirmed competition, no major sponsor and our finances in a very big hole. Next year could see administration.
Makes sense for Twiggy but for NZRU?
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@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
The simple answer is five teams per country in a trans Ta$man competition with no guaranteed finals in either country. Top two teams host the semis, final in the top team's country.
that has always been a sticking point and made a farce of the current (or most recent Super Rugby) format.
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@taniwharugby said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
The simple answer is five teams per country in a trans Ta$man competition with no guaranteed finals in either country. Top two teams host the semis, final in the top team's country.
that has always been a sticking point and made a farce of the current (or most recent Super Rugby) format.
To me it makes the finals a rare thing to have locally for your team, and should encourage crowds. Split up the TV revenue fairly and you are golden.
With all this animosity between the unions, beating the trans Ta$man teams should be fun for both sets of fans. With all this uncertainty over the health of the game they should get their fingers out of their arses and get it done.
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@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
What. The. Fuck
So we started a war with the Aussies because they have a couple of crap teams and now we are going to add three even shitter teams?
Was this just a ploy to steal the force all along?NZRU needs a new CEO. This one is a fucking dud.
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@Bones said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
"If NZR are serious they'll issue a licence… now or never."Well I guess that's the end of them.
Probably.
NZR are doubling down on the "mystery meeting".
Brent Impey:
“I’m chairman of Sanzaar and there has not been a Sanzaar board meeting since August 4,” said Impey in reference to the leaked minutes from a CEOs meeting on September 17 that appeared to show NZR had agreed to the December 12 conclusion. “The notes that have been published are not board minutes and have got a fundamental error in them as far as we’re concerned that says the six-week draw was agreed by all. I can tell you it wasn’t. We know that and Rugby Australia and Sanzaar know that because we kept telling them right up until the time they announced the draw. “The notes also quite clearly refer to an impasse and there are many emails that prove this. So our position has never changed. Having said that, our focus is trying to get this TRC issue sorted and we’re not going to bother to engage in tit-for-tat on so-called notes which weren’t minutes and weren’t board minutes either. -
Well I have to laugh, South China Lions, based out of Bay of Plenty. Pretty sure this was meant to be part of Twiggys comp and pretty sure they didn't play a game due to covid. The calibre of that comp wasn't great either. I thought the idea was great for BoP players to potentially get ready for Mitre10 cup and hopefully to become Super Rugby players,. This scenario would be a massive jump in class..
The mafia for years have suggested BoP as a Super base (based on being a mafia, no facts necessary).. No horses heads please, but I cant imagine we're anywhere near ready if this rumour was to become true...
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It's a good idea to read the article instead of only Liam Napier's tweet:
Impey confirmed his board had rubber-stamped, subject to certain caveats involving broadcasters, the players’ association and the Sanzaar collective, its professional franchise competition for next year, and it would look decidedly similar to this year’s post-Covid solution, but with a couple of important improvements.
“There has been a lot of speculation around our keenness to include a Pasifika team in Super Rugby, and we’re still committed to getting that across the line at some point. But the board believes we must get this right,” he added.
“Yesterday the NZR board short-listed four preferred [candidates] for 2022 and beyond, subject to those caveats mentioned previously. We hope to announce them shortly, but some are subject to commercial confidentiality at this point.
“The board is committed to approving a minimum of three teams from the shortlist, with that decision to be made on 30 November.”
In terms of the makeup of those potential expansion franchises, all Impey could say was: “They are a combination of New Zealand and broadly Pasifika-based teams around the Asia-Pacific region. It’s not just New Zealand [teams] and not just Pasifika.”
Told the Hawaii-based Kanaloa outfit had indicated they were ready to proceed next year, Impey reiterated NZR’s view: “The board wasn’t satisfied at this point that any of applicants were able to put a team or provide the necessary financial backing. The last thing we want is for any team to come in and get smashed. Yes, there were parties that wanted licences for 2021, but we considered ... none were ready.”
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I have had a few beers tonight, but the only new NZ team should be North Auckland based in Albany. There should be a serious effort at elevating touch rugby style games and under 85 kg rugby to build youth support in an area that has almost jettisoned rugby (but is massively into basketball and football).
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Lets not kid ourselves here - the only loss is the SA money.
Outside finals, crowds at NZ-SA matches in super rugby could measured in the 100's in SA and barely in the thousands in NZ. NZ needs to jump on the Japan train, before the 6N do and literally setup a rich country tournament (for growing the game, obviously).
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@MajorRage said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Lets not kid ourselves here - the only loss is the SA money.
Outside finals, crowds at NZ-SA matches in super rugby could measured in the 100's in SA and barely in the thousands in NZ. NZ needs to jump on the Japan train, before the 6N do and literally setup a rich country tournament (for growing the game, obviously).
Japan works with our timezones. I wonder how the Japanese would feel about jumping back into bed with us again given how badly the Sunwolves were treated?
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@MajorRage said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Lets not kid ourselves here - the only loss is the SA money.
Outside finals, crowds at NZ-SA matches in super rugby could measured in the 100's in SA and barely in the thousands in NZ. NZ needs to jump on the Japan train, before the 6N do and literally setup a rich country tournament (for growing the game, obviously).
I can't fathom how NZ rugby hasn't offered a 4 team plus pasifika set-up to Japan, including support to get them in the Rugby Championship. It's ridiculous.
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@gt12 how does that work for Japan's current domestic comp which is owned and controlled by their major corporations?
They could keep the Top league on at a different time to Super Rugby, and have the two top red and white league placegetters join Super rugby (perhaps with some allowance to get a bigger squad).
Or they could pick winners and get bids from 4 teams to join Super rugby, which would leave them with a 12 team competition for the Top league - whether those teams could join other competitions would be another conversation.
Given that the Top League was designed to bring up the standard of Japanese rugby, I'm reasonably sure (I only know a few people involved in a roundabout way) that teams would want to be in Super Rugby if they could be, and there would be some support for it in the JRFU. I spoke with a coach of TL team not that long ago and he was telling me that the SWs were great, but always destined for failure because they didn't open up enough spots to get some of the strong company teams involved - and the better players that they have available.
It was somewhat understandable though as picking one winner (probably Panasononic) would have been very hard. However, choosing four well-financed squads though some application process would, I hope, be more manageable and would lead to Japan having a gradation in the professional leagues of its players. If they scheduled the games right, they could make the Top league the premier domestic competition, and Super the international competition. Plus, of course, the All Blacks could offer to support Japan joining the Rugby Championship, which would be a massive boost to Japan if it happened. That's a lot of dollars and sold out stadiums for the Japan NZ and Oz games, and with SA being World Champs, that would sell out too.
Whether it would work or could happen, I obviously don't know - I'm not in the industry, but if the NZRFU hasn't been actively trying to make it happen, they are idiots.
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@gt12 Sounds pretty reasonable - I think a champions league style format would make more sense personally, but either way i agree they should be trying to make it happen. I was always of the understanding those Top league teams had little interest.
I also agree that Japan would be a perfect addition to the RC.
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