'Super Rugby' 2021
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
The team will be under Tina, Samoa and Fijian RU governance. NZR won't be running it or picking coaches, so any employment law issues will be their problem. If NZR can get away with picking NZ only qualified people in SR, then the Pacific team can do three same with island qualified. It won't be based on raced, but international qualification, is my guess.
I don't think it will. Thye have no money, and some of them (Cough, Tonga) have no governance.
It will be privately owned. It will operate from NZ, and post-covid at best with a game or 2 in Suva or Apia.
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@Rapido The NZH article: "A proposal has been tabled to run a Pasifika Moana team out of South Auckland which will be funded by a mix of broadcast and sponsorship income and governed by respective representatives from Fiji, Samoa and Tonga."
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@Machpants Just call them the Purples or something and it all goes away.
We have already seen how the Crusaders name has been questioned - let's not do it again was the point.
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Snowy ah gotcha, yeah I totally missed your point, sorry. Not going to happen cos 'positive discrimination' is cool
Yeah. Racism only goes one way ay.
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Basically from picking Foster on, NZR has been a cluster fuck.
When did Tew leave?
Not impressed with how NZR have handled the negotiations with SANZAAR. Could come back to bite them (if it hasn't already)
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Rapido The NZH article: "A proposal has been tabled to run a Pasifika Moana team out of South Auckland which will be funded by a mix of broadcast and sponsorship income and governed by respective representatives from Fiji, Samoa and Tonga."
The last thing they want is any governance from Tongan representatives.
From 5 days ago: https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/426906/tonga-rugby-union-facing-financial-oblivion
Although it says financial oblivion, it is really governance oblivion. All they need to do is agree a tripartite agreement with World Rugby and Tongan government and the sweet, sweet WR funds tap gets switched back on. Can't even do that. Billy and Mako's Dad won't let anyone in.
World Rugby is set to pull all funding to TRU if it fails to sign a tripartite agreement to work alongside the Tonga government and global governing body by the end of the day.
The agreement would see an interim management group take charge of the Union until long-standing governance issues are resolved
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@Rapido Tonga Rugby Union did end up signing the agreement last Friday.
From an article today:
The TRU signed a tripartite agreement with World Rugby and the Tonga Government on Friday , after the global governing body had threatened to pull all financial support.
Former Tonga rugby captain questions new TRU governance
Former 'Ikale Tahi captain Inoke Afeaki is sceptical a new governing arrangement will lead to lasting change for the Tonga Rugby Union.
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@KiwiMurph said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Rapido Tonga Rugby Union did end up signing the agreement last Friday.
From an article today:
The TRU signed a tripartite agreement with World Rugby and the Tonga Government on Friday , after the global governing body had threatened to pull all financial support.
Former Tonga rugby captain questions new TRU governance
Former 'Ikale Tahi captain Inoke Afeaki is sceptical a new governing arrangement will lead to lasting change for the Tonga Rugby Union.
That fuck for that, not for the fluffybunnies that run it, but the hardworking palyers who sacrifice a lot to represent their country/heritage.
EDIT: Ouch scathing comments in the article
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Rapido I am not saying it is a good idea, just that it is the idea
Yes. but I'm saying the idea is probably deliberate porkies or half-truth. Putting forward a half-truth solution they know can't be followed through.
The respective representatives from Fiji, Samoa and Tonga will probably be Pasifika NZers employed by the 'NZRU and private owner partnership' that ends up paying to set this team up / owning it. Not answerable in any way to any of the 3 PI unions.
So, basically just another NZ super franchise.
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@KiwiMurph Makes sense. How are they supposed to attract enough good players to have a team that will be competitive enough in 2021? There's not enough time. The financial side of it may also be difficult to arrange in such a short time. 2022 would be much better to enter a Pasifika team, esp because there are still so many other things to sort out, too, such as who is going to manage the team, where will they be based, where will they attract their players from etc etc.
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@KiwiMurph see a crossover finals series (maybe finalist or top 2 in each comp) makes more sense than the previously contrived series.
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@Stargazer said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Makes sense. How are they supposed to attract enough good players to have a team that will be competitive enough in 2021? There's not enough time. The financial side of it may also be difficult to arrange in such a short time. 2022 would be much better to enter a Pasifika team, esp because there are still so many other things to sort out, too, such as who is going to manage the team, where will they be based, where will they attract their players from etc etc.
Which is why the Asia Pacific Barbarians seem like the most realistic of the PI bids. They said from the beginning that 2021 was impossible so they made a bid for 2022
The others were way too optimistic
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@KiwiMurph said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Id forget about the crossover (for 2021) and just continue with what worked this year. Then look at 2022 for a combined competition. With the hope that Aust can by then have 5 teams that are strong enough to compete with the NZ teams
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@KiwiMurph said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Winger why forget it for 2021? Both NZR and RA could use the extra revenue/product.
Because it will be boring. And bad for Aussie rugby with NZ teams almost certainly beating the Aussie team.
I would prefer a bigger knockout crossover competition. Maybe also including the pro 14 (or 16) sides. And if SA only have 4 teams (instead of 6) each team should be stronger so maybe they could win it
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@KiwiMurph I'd say with the limited rugby, not to mention no Super Rugby, it'd become a great product to sell.
