'Super Rugby' 2021
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@gt12 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Jesus. Welcome the Manukau Southern Kings.
hey, diluting the competition has worked really well in the past. Don't get snippy. More teams means more product means more money. I mean, it's not like you're going to pack Eden Park to watch a 5 team comp with high quality
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@canefan they may want to, but does Europe want them? The seasons are still really hard to align unless folk want to play rugby in summer in SA.
It's hot in summer in SA, and a long flight from western Europe.
I'll wait to see how it goes first I think
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@Godder said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@nzzp hopefully the Pro 14 accepting them was somewhere in the proposal.
Pro 14 is one thing - but when are they going to play and prep for internationals? Pro 14 is September to May - so how does that fit in with playing NZ/Aus? Looks like they could be our June tourists in future, which is a real pity. We'll be sick of playing Aus and Arg when we're done
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In terms of TRC if things dont change there, I think this makes it better, SA and thier players become a bit more of the unknown, we havent seen players week in week out, we havent beaten thier teams or been beaten week in week out.
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Crusaders dominated the competition for two decades....
Blues finally live up to their potential for one season...quickly, dilute their region (edit) and part of the chiefs too...theyve been asking for it
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South Auckland also includes the Chiefs region.
All comments point to a Pasifika team happening if NZR is on board.
Henry's comments relate to maybe reducing squad sizes so more players get to play each week.
“I think a Pasifika side is essential - but they (NZ Rugby) have to look after them." “They can’t throw a Pasifika side in and then just leave them alone. NZ Rugby and the five franchises have got to support a Pasifika side so that it is competitive.’’ -
i know im missing something
yes, ideally an international super rugby comp is preferred as it bring in more money...but if we're going to persist with a purely domestic comp, for all kinds of reasons..why not a full blooded Mitre 10 cup, take that money the NZR is going to spend running super rugby, use it to run a full 14 team mitre 10 cup comp
surely we cant keep selling a 5-6 team comp overseas for huge money
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@Kiwiwomble The 5/6 team domestic is for 1 season only (2021) due to COVID. It's a stop-gap.
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@KiwiMurph i get that, im just saying if we're writing off next season as a stop gap...why not try and make the comp we have awesome rather than such a diluted super comp
we always hear the NPC cant be the top cop anymore...but we havent really seen a fully funded/marketed/backed NPC for a very long time, so we can know for sure and this seem like a great chance to try
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@Kiwiwomble There's a number of reasons.
They have a broadcast deal with Sky - they know Super Rugby Aotearoa rates very well. They already have a 14 team Mitre 10 Cup. Does putting ABs into a full 14 team Mitre 10 Cup offset having no Super Rugby at all? No.
You want to talk about a diluted comp - a 14 team domestic comp is diluted even if ABs are playing.
You've then got the issue of all the staff at these Super franchises and that most franchises have some form of private ownership involved - you can't just say 'sorry no Super this year' and put them on pause for a year.
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@KiwiMurph fair enough on the last point, cant argue with too much of that
disagree with some of the other points, i dont think having the AB dilutes the comp, i think they lift up the players around them and the last time we had a full 14 team comp super rugby and internationals were still taking players away, i would guess it would at least be super 12 when we last saw most AB's still playing more than a couple of NPC games
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Pedant alert: I don’t think KM argued that ABs dilute the comp, I think he explained that even with ABs it’s still a diluted comp - quite different ideas
