Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@canefan But on the other hand, I've come up to Auckland today to meet with a guy who overnight stated feeling a bit out of sorts and his boss has forbidden him to come into the office until he has had a test. Theres no reason to think he has been infected but what's he supposed to do if his boss tells him it's mandatory?
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@JC In that circumstance, if the employee is ready, willing and able to return, the best the employer can demand is a medical certificate of fitness to return to work at the employer's expense. If they specifically demand a covid test without a medical professional's backing (health line counts), the employer gets to pay the employee to stay home.
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@JC not saying it's the case here, but I do wonder if some people get a bit of a placebo-like situation, hearing about this the anxiety and other feelings makes them start suffering symptoms they know are associated.
We had one lady at work who's step-son works at one of the locations and she has been working form home today and yesterday (although was in all last week...)
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@Bovidae said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Given this lady used the app, has anyone received an alert yet?
To answer my own question, there is a story in the Waikato Times about a family who were visiting Northland and were in the Kauri Museum at the same time as the covid-positive woman was. The family received an alert on Sunday afternoon as they were also using the Covid tracer app during their holiday. I would suggest that all those people complaining that the list of places she visited wasn't quickly available weren't using the app themselves.
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@Bovidae MOH didnt release the app location data on thier website until after 9pm that night, but I expect/hope those who had scanned were alerted well before that, although, looking over the list of her visits and times, I think there were some manual entries, which probably slowed some of the automation?
Unsure why when you enter a location manually it doesnt come up with a drop down of the shops/business you were at though (e.g start typing Farmers and it comes up with Farmers stores to select which one you were at
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@Godder True. You have to feel for employers too though. IIRC a while back in the second Auckland lockdown some shop owner got the rubber hose for apparently insisting that one of their workers came in when it turned out she was actually infected. Who needs that kind of publicity.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Bovidae MOH didnt release the app location data on thier website until after 9pm that night, but I expect/hope those who had scanned were alerted well before that, although, looking over the list of her visits and times, I think there were some manual entries, which probably slowed some of the automation?
Unsure why when you enter a location manually it doesnt come up with a drop down of the shops/business you were at though (e.g start typing Farmers and it comes up with Farmers stores to select which one you were at
But then Mrs JC might be surprised when I start typing and the Blue Oyster Bar pops up. Who needs that kind of unpleasantness?
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@taniwharugby :smiling_face_with_open_mouth_closed_eyes:
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@JC said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder True. You have to feel for employers too though. IIRC a while back in the second Auckland lockdown some shop owner got the rubber hose for apparently insisting that one of their workers came in when it turned out she was actually infected. Who needs that kind of publicity.
Definitely a tough issue for employers and employees alike. My view (and the view of my union and the CTU) is that instead of making it sick leave, there's a public good in avoiding situations where people feel obliged to go to work when Covid is lurking, so the government should extend the Covid leave fund parameters instead. Adding in other disease is an option as well.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
St. Cindy on Bloomberg saying NZ borders to be closed for rest of 2021.
Does that mean no more bubbles this year?
Possible Oz State by State. Also Pacific Islands. Wants to see if vaccination prevents transmission, before letting ROW in.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
St. Cindy on Bloomberg saying NZ borders to be closed for rest of 2021.
Does that mean no more bubbles this year?
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
St. Cindy on Bloomberg saying NZ borders to be closed for rest of 2021.
Does that mean no more bubbles this year?
A sobering thought over the last 48 hours is that if a bubble can close as quickly as it has with Australia (one way) and the Cook Islands after one community case, I wonder how much trust you could place in a bubble anyway for planning travel. Certainly for any holiday/absolutely non-essential travel...
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@Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
St. Cindy on Bloomberg saying NZ borders to be closed for rest of 2021.
Does that mean no more bubbles this year?
A sobering thought over the last 48 hours is that if a bubble can close as quickly as it has with Australia (one way) and the Cook Islands after one community case, I wonder how much trust you could place in a bubble anyway for planning travel. Certainly for any holiday/absolutely non-essential travel...
Not much at all mate. But for relatives who want to reunite either side of the ditch, the risk might be worth taking.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
St. Cindy on Bloomberg saying NZ borders to be closed for rest of 2021.
Does that mean no more bubbles this year?
A sobering thought over the last 48 hours is that if a bubble can close as quickly as it has with Australia (one way) and the Cook Islands after one community case, I wonder how much trust you could place in a bubble anyway for planning travel. Certainly for any holiday/absolutely non-essential travel...
Not much at all mate. But for relatives who want to reunite either side of the ditch, the risk might be worth taking.
Yep, business and family related travel will probably resume under a full travel bubble, but as much as an Aussie holiday would be very tempting, I suspect for many it will wait until 2022 or later regardless of bubbles created sooner...
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@Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
St. Cindy on Bloomberg saying NZ borders to be closed for rest of 2021.
Does that mean no more bubbles this year?
A sobering thought over the last 48 hours is that if a bubble can close as quickly as it has with Australia (one way) and the Cook Islands after one community case, I wonder how much trust you could place in a bubble anyway for planning travel. Certainly for any holiday/absolutely non-essential travel...
Not much at all mate. But for relatives who want to reunite either side of the ditch, the risk might be worth taking.
Yep, business and family related travel will probably resume under a full travel bubble, but as much as an Aussie holiday would be very tempting, I suspect for many it will wait until 2022 or later regardless of bubbles created sooner...
Yeah, the risk of being stuck for 2 weeks away from work and school etc because of changes to the situation don't appeal
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@taniwharugby well if he can't find her spot .... ohh that was low!!