Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
There is also ongoing talk of repeated lockdowns. Again give me a plan.
From Andrew Little
“But I'd be surprised if we ever see level 4 again,” he said.
We shall see
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@dogmeat surely they are being guided (open season on the quality of communications advice though ) by messaging for the masses rather than the finely honed minds of us ferners. But from our korero over the last 18 months we aren't the problem when it comes to getting vaccinated, or engaging with the info etc.
I have no problems with less nuanced messaging if that will be more effective with x, y, z groups. Ultimately the disengaged and reluctant are those we need to reach to get anywhere near that 90%+ target. -
@paekakboyz I'd say there is a decent chunk of our rural and coastal communities that are probably likely to get vaccinated, but accessibility is an issue (an hour + to a facility) so these mobile units need to be increased and hit the road!
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'm happy enough with 90% as a target. Just give me any fucking target, but explain what it means. There is also ongoing talk of repeated lockdowns. Again give me a plan.
We get to 90% and this can happen
If we get an outbreak (define it) this is what will have to happen so that we don't overwhelm the health system.When governments are hiding stuff, I never came across a time it doesn't mean bad (unpopular for them) news, yeah?
Not sure what but I'm guessing maybe a need for rolling L2 and L3 for 6-12 months and MIQ stays pretty much as is for 6+ months, maybe a year, as they can't afford international infections propagating.
International bubbles and "safe" countries are history as countries are opening up as much as they can ... e.g. Denmark is great now but could have high case rates again in 6 or 9 months, who can predict?
Something like that they don't want to say until they have to.
Politically better to handle it by having a 90% vaccination rate first, say "Yay Team New Zealand!!! We're all brilliant!!!! WOOOOO - SUCCESS !!!!" ... and then start to drip feed what they're not saying now.
I'm just waiting until I can get back to NZ without a costly and 14-day MIQ ... have zero idea when that might be
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@taniwharugby I heard the jab buses are rolling to those sorts of communities. So that is good news if that is indeed the case. Hopefully we can focus more and more energy on the remaining groups as the rest of us get double jabbed.
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@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'm happy enough with 90% as a target. Just give me any fucking target, but explain what it means. There is also ongoing talk of repeated lockdowns. Again give me a plan.
We get to 90% and this can happen
If we get an outbreak (define it) this is what will have to happen so that we don't overwhelm the health system.When governments are hiding stuff, I never came across a time it doesn't mean bad (unpopular for them) news, yeah?
Not sure what but I'm guessing maybe a need for rolling L2 and L3 for 6-12 months and MIQ stays pretty much as is for 6+ months, maybe a year, as they can't afford international infections propagating.
International bubbles and "safe" countries are history as countries are opening up as much as they can ... e.g. Denmark is great now but could have high case rates again in 6 or 9 months, who can predict?
Something like that they don't want to say until they have to.
Politically better to handle it by having a 90% vaccination rate first, say "Yay Team New Zealand!!! We're all brilliant!!!! WOOOOO - SUCCESS !!!!" ... and then start to drip feed what they're not saying now.
I'm just waiting until I can get back to NZ without a costly and 14-day MIQ ... have zero idea when that might be
sadly my uninformed gut feel is exactly this
i have similar fears for Qld
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@l_n_p yep, they are always comparing, so will be aiming to exceed anything anyone else does, so the legacy will be Cindy/NZ handled the pandemic better than any other country.
I know my wife would love to see her mum and dad, especially with the latter not in great health, but she is just like plenty of others on both sides of this.
I think I read something like 20,000 people tried to get into MIQ around the Christmas period with 2,000 spots available? Plus I wonder how many didnt both trying, knowing it would be a wasted effort.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@l_n_p yep, they are always comparing, so will be aiming to exceed anything anyone else does, so the legacy will be Cindy/NZ handled the pandemic better than any other country.
I know my wife would love to see her mum and dad, especially with the latter not in great health, but she is just like plenty of others on both sides of this.
I think I read something like 20,000 people tried to get into MIQ around the Christmas period with 2,000 spots available? Plus I wonder how many didnt both trying, knowing it would be a wasted effort.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Thanks for posting that, it's an excellent article.
Good info but much of the 'results' don't show where we end up in 6 weeks time. e.g. the 'doses per 100 pax'. We have about 36% sitting at home waiting until their next jab is done. That would change our position a lot.
I got in with my bookings just before the 6 week gap instead of 3 came along. The science behind that increase didn't seem too conclusive and as this was pre-delta in Auckland and the impetus to speed things up I wonder if they called that one a bit early.
If people were going back for their second after three weeks it would stop this picture of a slowing momentum. They (as TR is doing) would also get new first dose people brought along while second doses are being done. I wonder how many others, especially with teens, are doing the same out of convenience? Don't get your first now, come along in a few weeks when we get our second. It's understandable.
Probably too late now as the messaging gets messy.
Even the whole booking system thing that allowed way too much time per person has backfired a bit given what happened. Lots of folks thought that was the only way and instead they should have just promoted an open slather mass vax approach.
The planning was all good while we were in a safe little bubble but now people want out of this fast and a move to a different approach. That hinges on speeding up the vaxxing and maximum efforts should be going into that. Hammer the message home.They litterally addressed that in the article. Not sure what you mean.
"The big rush and sudden fall was mostly for first doses, with the rate of second doses staying pretty stable at not much more than 20,000 a day. That suggests in October we will see another spike as the 1m Kiwis who got a first dose in late-August and early September get their second dose after six weeks."
They don't tie that into to the other results further on, such as those that indicate we are 'behind' on doses administered.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think I read something like 20,000 people tried to get into MIQ around the Christmas period with 2,000 spots available?
in my folly i read social media around this
apparently a lot of NZers see this as disgraceful
"fuck those people who just want to come at the holidays! why should they be allowed to? My health and safety is far more important than their need to see family at christmas"
real fucking charmers aye?
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@l_n_p Not having a go at you or any of the other Ferners struggling to return to NZ but there is a lot of fake news about MIQ as well.
The dialogue is that there are tens of thousands of Kiwis clamouring to return to NZ who have been locked out for nearly two years and the government is disregarding them in a cruel and callous way.
Leaving aside the fact that a sizeable number of current residents want the government to shut the border completely because it's filthy MIQ bastards causing all our issues, the situation as I described it in the first sentence is more nuanced and while I'm not that bothered some of the commentary irks me.
Yes the latest tranche of MIQ slots to become available was massively oversubscribed which is a clear indication that demand currently outstrips supply. However the notion that this has been a constant since February 2020 is an absolute nonsense. As recently as March this year you could get a slot in MIQ relatively easy. You might have had to be a little flexible over dates and you couldn't decide to book on a whim but plenty of slots were available.
Delta like in so many other ways was a game changer, particularly after everything started going tits up in NSW.
A large number of those wanting to get into MIQ are economic refugees who had a chance to get back to NZ in 2020 and decided to ignore it, presumably because they decided life was better where they were.
I am getting tired of media reports from 'Kiwi's' who say they have been trying to get back into NZ for two years and are being shut out and we've had to sell the house coz we lost our jobs and, and , and IT'S SO UNFAIR.
Here's the reality for these people. Covid struck. Oz goes into Lockdown. You lose your job. Oz govt policies means the welfare safety net doesn't apply to you. NZ suddenly looks very attractive. Well it will as short term option but really you've lived in Oz for over 10 years, your kids were born there, your friends all live there and but for the Oz govt you're dinky di Ockers with a funny accent. All of which means that as soon as the situation improves for you back across the ditch you'll be straight on a plane back to wherever you currently live.
But NZ's the arsehole in all this?
As I said I appreciate the above is not true for everyone and there are really sad cases of families being unable to reunite etc - many of which have been shared here. I genuinely feel for these people, but what's the alternative? NZ are not in a position to open the borders (yet) to everyone because our health system won't cope.
I do think that Immigration could and should look into cases more deeply and apply some sort of hardship weighting. Stopping giving priority to the Wiggles would be a start. The govt is trying to set up more MIQ hotels but is meeting resistance from local communities as wo wants a plague hotel next door?
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@taniwharugby Honestly? Not being a Kiwi and given I'd stay for a month or so max to see family, I've written off getting back until at least mid-2022 and I think that's optimistic.
The rest of the world is getting back to normal - including international travel - because they figure their healthcare systems can handle things, and that imported cases don't matter much in the big scheme of things.
But yeah, like many here I'd simply like a roadmap so I have even some idea when I can get back again. 2 years?? Okay just tell me, I can handle it ... it's the not knowing and not even seeing any direction that sucks.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
in my folly i read social media
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
in my folly i read social media
yeah i know, i am well aware.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@l_n_p yep, they are always comparing, so will be aiming to exceed anything anyone else does, so the legacy will be Cindy/NZ handled the pandemic better than any other country.
I know my wife would love to see her mum and dad, especially with the latter not in great health, but she is just like plenty of others on both sides of this.
I think I read something like 20,000 people tried to get into MIQ around the Christmas period with 2,000 spots available? Plus I wonder how many didnt both trying, knowing it would be a wasted effort.
They really need a prioritised system. They have had plenty of time to work out criteria and requirements.
I do get the feeling that some of the problem is caused by people who need to see the reality of the situation. I think Hipkins said this a while back and got flamed for it so they have steered clear.
Can't believe the number of people bitching and moaning that they can't get a place because they 'want to come back and see their newly born cousin/nephew etc' FFS, the kid won't know!
I get that family is big for some people but when when something like that clogs up the system for people trying a possible last visit for their parent with cancer or someone trying to return home for good once an overseas job has finished. Even businesses that, I'm sure might be able to do better with in person meetings, aren't going down if they don't.
It just seems like car drivers complaining about the congestion on the road when they are part of the cause.
Even if 50% of the places were put aside for a priority queue it would help those that truly have to get back and not just want to. -
@mariner4life we all do now and again, for a laugh, to make us feel smart, although sometimes we get sucked into the vortex of stupid!
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@l_n_p Not having a go at you or any of the other Ferners struggling to return to NZ but there is a lot of fake news about MIQ as well.
The dialogue is that there are tens of thousands of Kiwis clamouring to return to NZ who have been locked out for nearly two years and the government is disregarding them in a cruel and callous way.
Leaving aside the fact that a sizeable number of current residents want the government to shut the border completely because it's filthy MIQ bastards causing all our issues, the situation as I described it in the first sentence is more nuanced and while I'm not that bothered some of the commentary irks me.
Yes the latest tranche of MIQ slots to become available was massively oversubscribed which is a clear indication that demand currently outstrips supply. However the notion that this has been a constant since February 2020 is an absolute nonsense. As recently as March this year you could get a slot in MIQ relatively easy. You might have had to be a little flexible over dates and you couldn't decide to book on a whim but plenty of slots were available.
Delta like in so many other ways was a game changer, particularly after everything started going tits up in NSW.
A large number of those wanting to get into MIQ are economic refugees who had a chance to get back to NZ in 2020 and decided to ignore it, presumably because they decided life was better where they were.
I am getting tired of media reports from 'Kiwi's' who say they have been trying to get back into NZ for two years and are being shut out and we've had to sell the house coz we lost our jobs and, and , and IT'S SO UNFAIR.
Here's the reality for these people. Covid struck. Oz goes into Lockdown. You lose your job. Oz govt policies means the welfare safety net doesn't apply to you. NZ suddenly looks very attractive. Well it will as short term option but really you've lived in Oz for over 10 years, your kids were born there, your friends all live there and but for the Oz govt you're dinky di Ockers with a funny accent. All of which means that as soon as the situation improves for you back across the ditch you'll be straight on a plane back to wherever you currently live.
But NZ's the arsehole in all this?
As I said I appreciate the above is not true for everyone and there are really sad cases of families being unable to reunite etc - many of which have been shared here. I genuinely feel for these people, but what's the alternative? NZ are not in a position to open the borders (yet) to everyone because our health system won't cope.
I do think that Immigration could and should look into cases more deeply and apply some sort of hardship weighting. Stopping giving priority to the Wiggles would be a start. The govt is trying to set up more MIQ hotels but is meeting resistance from local communities as wo wants a plague hotel next door?
Agreed. Has been the big risk in going to Oz to live for decades now. No support if things turn to shit. Can't blame NZ if you want to run home to take advantage of the support here.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think I read something like 20,000 people tried to get into MIQ around the Christmas period with 2,000 spots available?
in my folly i read social media around this
apparently a lot of NZers see this as disgraceful
"fuck those people who just want to come at the holidays! why should they be allowed to? My health and safety is far more important than their need to see family at christmas"
real fucking charmers aye?
I did too, I won't again ... let's just say the what I read lacked any empathy for real people's lives. It's like you're a bad kiwi if you're living and working overseas. Second class citizen much?
I must be pond-scum then whose selfish goal in visiting is to infect people given I'm not even a kiwi
Omg
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heard last night on the radio that the 6 "shot bro" buses that are gonna help us ramp up the vaccine rates have delivered in a week a grand total of.....
...400 vaccines.. that's not even 10 a day per bus.
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The Fern is the closest I get to reading social media.
Life's too short and I really don't need to know when people have had a dump.