Royal drama
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Oh I'm sure there are people who want to abolish the monarchy to save money. What, as they are focussed on money, would be replacement costs?
EDIT:The Italian & Polish presidencies, which is pretty much the same role as the Queen, cost about 2-3 times as much to run per capita.
But I think the majority of people who want abolition are more driven by seeing it as an anachronism.
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@Victor-Meldrew and thats where i dont know enough, why does it need to be replaced with something similar, couldn't the current government be empowered? i thought the roll was largely ceremonial when it came to actual governance, asking the winner of the election to form a government in her name, opening and closing of parliament etc
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@Kiwiwomble said in Royal drama:
@Victor-Meldrew and thats where i dont know enough, why does it need to be replaced with something similar, couldn't the current government be empowered? i thought the roll was largely ceremonial when it came to actual governance, asking the winner of the election to form a government in her name, opening and closing of parliament etc
Constitutionally, that's really difficult as you need a separation of powers. Unless people support the idea of Judges swearing an oath to the Prime Minister of the day.... I don't think that would work.
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@Victor-Meldrew full devil's advocate here as im now just really curious
is there a big difference between a prime minister and a president? both elected officials, so could you not "just" call the prime minister the president ?
probably well of the thread theme of "drama"
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@Kiwiwomble said in Royal drama:
is there a big difference between a prime minister and a president? both elected officials, so could you not "just" call the prime minister the president ?
You could - but you'd be placing all the power of the state in one person or place, risking the independence of the Judiciary, the Police and the armed forces.
Think you'd need a new Constitution and, as most similar countries have found out, you need a Head of State as well as a PM for separation of powers.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Royal drama:
@Victor-Meldrew full devil's advocate here as im now just really curious
is there a big difference between a prime minister and a president? both elected officials, so could you not "just" call the prime minister the president ?
probably well of the thread theme of "drama"
How would a Prime Minster have solved the little problem in 1975?
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@antipodean said in Royal drama:
@Kiwiwomble said in Royal drama:
@Victor-Meldrew full devil's advocate here as im now just really curious
is there a big difference between a prime minister and a president? both elected officials, so could you not "just" call the prime minister the president ?
probably well of the thread theme of "drama"
How would a Prime Minster have solved the little problem in 1975?
Well HRH didn't actually "solve" that little problem although her unelected representative did, but yeah, I can't see how us having a republic here would have enabled that little fiasco to turn out the way it did. Maybe Aussie would still be deadlocked today!
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@Catogrande said in Royal drama:
@antipodean said in Royal drama:
@Kiwiwomble said in Royal drama:
@Victor-Meldrew full devil's advocate here as im now just really curious
is there a big difference between a prime minister and a president? both elected officials, so could you not "just" call the prime minister the president ?
probably well of the thread theme of "drama"
How would a Prime Minster have solved the little problem in 1975?
Well HRH didn't actually "solve" that little problem although her unelected representative did, but yeah, I can't see how us having a republic here would have enabled that little fiasco to turn out the way it did. Maybe Aussie would still be deadlocked today!
My point being you need an ability above the Prime Minister which for us is the GG. In a republic as some in Oz advocate for, this would result in the (real) Head of State becoming a President. Popularly elected too, to ensure the clusterfuck that is America is adequately replicated.
Any politician supporting this clearly deludes themselves they'd be popularly elected. Which should instantly rule them out.
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Ah, sorry mate, I thought you were coming at this from a different angle.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Royal drama:
@Kiwiwomble said in Royal drama:
is there a big difference between a prime minister and a president? both elected officials, so could you not "just" call the prime minister the president ?
You could - but you'd be placing all the power of the state in one person or place, risking the independence of the Judiciary, the Police and the armed forces.
Think you'd need a new Constitution and, as most similar countries have found out, you need a Head of State as well as a PM for separation of powers.
Makes sense, and I think you just end up with all the same politicians just running for a different job title
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@MajorRage said in Royal drama:
Americans are absolutely lapping them up.
Meanwhile, here in reality, people wonder why their thoughts about climate change, preaching about sustainability should be listened to when they fly private jets to polo tournaments ...
The US media are lapping it up, meanwhile lots of people in Britain are struggling to remember who Harry and Meghan were. They have become irrelevant. Seriously who cares what they think?
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@Bones said in Royal drama:
It's just such a laughable suggestion. She is seemingly totally deluded if she thinks anyone would take such a claim seriously.
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@Catogrande it's the yank way a lot of the time eh. Comes in the same weekend as one of my best mate's ex, a yank, announced she's engaged to a rocket scientist who is a world class coach in about 6 different sports and also a ski instructor.
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@Catogrande said in Royal drama:
@Bones said in Royal drama:
It's just such a laughable suggestion. She is seemingly totally deluded if she thinks anyone would take such a claim seriously.
Reeks of self importance
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@Bones said in Royal drama:
@Catogrande it's the yank way a lot of the time eh. Comes in the same weekend as one of my best mate's ex, a yank, announced she's engaged to a rocket scientist who is a world class coach in about 6 different sports and also a ski instructor.
That’s a ridiculous claim. I’m already married.
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@JC said in Royal drama:
@Bones said in Royal drama:
@Catogrande it's the yank way a lot of the time eh. Comes in the same weekend as one of my best mate's ex, a yank, announced she's engaged to a rocket scientist who is a world class coach in about 6 different sports and also a ski instructor.
That’s a ridiculous claim. I’m already married.
Yeah to some rocket scientist guy. You Polish chicks. You're all the same.
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@MajorRage said in Royal drama:
Americans are absolutely lapping them up.
Meanwhile, here in reality, people wonder why their thoughts about climate change, preaching about sustainability should be listened to
when they fly private jets to polo tournaments ...Fixed.