Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?
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@Tim said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
He'd be a good choice for assistant coach, and I'd take him over Foster any day.
I want Robertson and Brown to be involved. Not sure I want Robertson to be head coach though.. he might have to do though
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@Billy-Tell said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
What is the point of this thread?
Hansen is not going before Japan.
Disagree. NZRU will relieve him of his duties if next week's performance is as bad.
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@sparky said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
@Billy-Tell said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
What is the point of this thread?
Hansen is not going before Japan.
Disagree. NZRU will relieve him of his duties if next week's performance is as bad.
You want to put money on that buddy?
They are not dumping Hansen even if w lose 0-100.
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2019 ABs form is a concern
2020 is shaping up to be even more of a potential disaster:
NO Franks Whitelock BBR Read Crotty Bender
There are serious questions on who'll replace these players beyond ALB + DMAC
This could be the start of a decline in ABs Hegemony as #1 side in Int'l Rugby in Professional Era
NZ coaches have greatly influenced European Rugby
The gap has closed European teams can match ABs with physicality, fitness and intensityAll ABs have is individual brilliance from Backs + a handful of loose forwards
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@Jaguares4real Can't say I'm losing a ton of sleep over replacing Franks...
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Hansen is too stubborn and it doesn't look like he'll make enough changes next week.
We still have the players and talent to stay 1-3 in the world, no matter what happens this year.
Razor has the Crusaders playing great rugby. I think he'd be able to do a lot for the ABs. But it's better he coaches the Crusaders for 2 more years then gets international experience.
I would prefer Gatland or Schmidt, or best would be Wayne Smith coming back for 2 years till Schmidt + Gatland are ready to do the job together.....What about Cotter or Joseph? Both very talented and proven...
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Cotter is tied up with Montpelier Moved upstairs to Director of Rugby role Though I'm sure he has an exit clause if he was offered AB role
Joseph is a mystery I would have him as AB coach ahead of Foster and even Razor
Razor has no experience coaching adult Int'l rugby sides
Hansen and Henry had alot experience overall and managing Int'l sides before coaching ABs
Massive difference coaching Canterbury team and having daily interactions to then go 6 months without having any serious dealing with players on the field
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@sparky said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
@Billy-Tell said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
What is the point of this thread?
Hansen is not going before Japan.
Disagree. NZRU will relieve him of his duties if next week's performance is as bad.
Functionally how would that work? Tew recommends to the board that they terminate him or the board goes full mutiny and demands Tew sack him. Either is unfathomable.
This is not the 80's or 90's where the head of Canterbury RFU can go up and down the country riling up other union heads to make changes nor are the local sponsors leaning on the union game by game. The major sponsors are sitting in New York and Nuremburg and don't even know Hansen's name.
The same goes for those who think Foster is a lock for next year. With Tew gone there will be a new CEO for the selection process and the board has turned over completely in the eight years since Hansen won over Cotter with most appointed 2014 onwards. Looking at the composition of the board there is nothing to indicate Foster has the inside running. A new CEO isn't going to make their first appointment a compromised one out loyalty, nor his Hansen's blessing going to mean anything unless they win.
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@rotated Same way it does in top level soccer and NFL. Or a top New York, Frankfurt or London firm. It is a result-based industry. If you don't perform, you're fired. No room for sentimentality. I think you under-estminiate the ruthless of Steve Tew and the pressure on him and the board to deliver.
The All Blacks' sponsors pay NZRU millions of dollars to buy brand attachment with supposedly one of the very top sports teams in the world. In the past 12 months their performances have been extremely poor. Last night the performance was one of the very worst in AB test history. They were thrashed out of sight by the team ranked six in the world. I can't see Hansen escaping the consequences if that under-performance continues next week.
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@sparky said in Is Japan a WC too far for Hansen?:
@rotated Same way it does in top level soccer and NFL. Or a top New York, Frankfurt or London firm. It is a result-based industry. If you don't perform, you're fired. No room for sentimentality. I think you under-estminiate the ruthless of Steve Tew and the pressure on him and the board to deliver.
I think you underestimate the lack of pressure on Tew. He won two World Cups and he is leaving in December. He has presided over what would be considered an extended period of commerical and on-field success for the ABs.
I find it hard to believe he has been gone from offering him an extension in December to sensationally firing him a month out from the RWC in the space of half a year.
Don't get me wrong, if this were August 2018 you have a very valid point and replacing him then would have been massively beneficial for all the reasons I banged on about when Cheika won coach of the year. But it's August 2019 and the RWC starts in a bit.
Besides no change Tew is forking out the $300 for a name change fee on those flights to Japan.
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To answer the OP. Yes, he should have left at the mid point as originally planned. The only problem is that would have hand it to Foster did they were in a high, rather than a fresh mind and we'd be in the same (or worse) position. Hansen is picking up some records since 16, leaving a great legacy and the aura pretty much dead
First draw against Lions
Doubled our red card tally
Several on the top 5 worst ever defeats
First ever loss to Ireland, twice.
Off the top for the first time in a decadeAnd soon to add
Lost Bled first time in a lifetime
First loss in Eden park for ages ( already put a draw in there), vs oz for even longer
First ever loss in pool stages RWC
Lowest ever world ranking, after we go out of quarters vs IrelandI was unhappy, but faithful until this match. More PR about how it's going to click. But it didn't and he wasn't in tears at the press conference, and he bloody should have been
Disgrace
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@Machpants you could just say other teams have improved to which they have..nothing lasts forever..
I do however agree Hansen should have moved on after the Lions series..
Wether it be by accident or just pure bad luck ,there’s 2 positions I believe they have never fully addressed since the 2015 RWC..
The no 6 jersey and the midfield pairing..,we have chopped and changed so many times ,we are basically a month out from RWC and we are still tampering with the loose forward trio and the permanent midfield pairing which is far from sorted..Also a permanent fixture on the right wing, should have just left Bender at fullback and developed a right wing..
Then you throw in the 2 pivot game plan which has taken far too long to bed in.I personally think our amazing record at Eden Park is in serious danger of being blown out the window not to mention the Bledisloe Cup ..
The week leading up is going to be interesting ..
My back 3 would beBridge
Ioane
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@Steven-Harris I have no idea who we should pick and where, cos it's cohesion we miss as much as anything. But I agree with the previous comment, so much for playing crap so we can cane it in Bled and RWC
