TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98)
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@Duluth said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
I doubt it will happen, but I'd like to see Papali'i get a start in the Bledisloe
Brodie's injury meant we had to hold back one forward reserve. So Dalton only got 3 mins at the end. I think he's worth a look.
However I expect him to get cut. Meanwhile people who were tried and failed will get retained.
Just say his name!
If Hansen and co are still undecided on who their no.6 is then they should retain all of them and give them a chance to perform or fail in the Aust tests. I'm also resigned to the fact that both Papalii and Jacobson will be cut. There is nothing to be gained to include Todd in the 35 if Cane and Ardie are both going to be in the 23. He's a known quantity and the focus should be on the other side of the scrum.
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Thatâs exactly the question. Laulala is really a similar set piece specialist but often gets the bench (Argentina is a good example), where canât really make much impact. Also I understand why they put Ofa at LH in Argentina, but he might be our second best tighthead. Iâd have liked to see him get a chance, because Taâavao off the bench at TH looks the ticket. I guess right now they are planning for no Karl T which means Ofa and Angus off the bench.. which again, is why Karlâs injury is a shame.
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@gt12 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Thatâs exactly the question. Laulala is really a similar set piece specialist but often gets the bench (Argentina is a good example), where canât really make much impact. Also I understand why they put Ofa at LH in Argentina, but he might be our second best tighthead. Iâd have liked to see him get a chance, because Taâavao off the bench at TH looks the ticket. I guess right now they are planning for no Karl T which means Ofa and Angus off the bench.. which again, is why Karlâs injury is a shame.
How are these other guys as scrummagers compared to Franks who is still arguably the worlds best in this facet along with that Irish fella.
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@akan004 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Will rewatch the game and look for that hit. Can't recall him making big hits for the Landers tbh, but I will take your word for it. Still think Paps will offer a much higher workrate and is a far superior defender, but is not as good a lineout forward as Frizell.
I kind of agree - Paps is class, but they havenât given him any chances. Check 2:15-2:20 after we kick off. He stops Vermeulen pretty well.
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@Frank said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Chris-B
A long time ago, Owen Franks used to specialize in making monstrous hits on other forwards where he would drive upwards and hit them just below the shoulders.. It was quite impressive. Not sure where that has gone. -
@Frank said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Chris-B
A long time ago, Owen Franks used to specialize in making monstrous hits on other forwards where he would drive upwards and hit them just below the shoulders.. It was quite impressive. Not sure where that has gone.Probably too risky for getting a high tackle nowadays
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@Machpants
the most important part is hit em in the head! they go down reeeeeal easy. Just wrap your arms tho! -
@Frank MN5's post might be the answer to that.
The Franks boys used to be renowned for their work at the ruck - TBH I don't really watch much of what happens away from the ball so I can't tell you whether he's still a menace there.
I'd back Owen to be more useful in a driving maul than Ofa.
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Ben Ryan: Retallick case is why ruck laws must change
Sevens supremo Ben Ryan says the shoulder injury to All Blacks lock Brodie Retallick is a good test case for why rugby union's ruck laws need changing.
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Again? That didnât take long! Maybe next time he should support Barcelona.
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@Chris-B said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Frank MN5's post might be the answer to that.
The Franks boys used to be renowned for their work at the ruck - TBH I don't really watch much of what happens away from the ball so I can't tell you whether he's still a menace there.
I'd back Owen to be more useful in a driving maul than Ofa.
Why?
Lomax was the best TH in the first half of super rugby then dropped off and right at the end his scrummaging mysteriously turned to shit. While Ta'avao built and built throughout the season, I don't see a problem at all with his scrummaging these days - doesn't he also adequately cover LH also or is he considered a bit over tall?
Ofa doesn't seem to get done on the TH side either, so it's tough to see just what the value of Franks is.
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@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Chris-B said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Frank MN5's post might be the answer to that.
The Franks boys used to be renowned for their work at the ruck - TBH I don't really watch much of what happens away from the ball so I can't tell you whether he's still a menace there.
I'd back Owen to be more useful in a driving maul than Ofa.
Why?
Lomax was the best TH in the first half of super rugby then dropped off and right at the end his scrummaging mysteriously turned to shit. While Ta'avao built and built throughout the season, I don't see a problem at all with his scrummaging these days - doesn't he also adequately cover LH also or is he considered a bit over tall?
Ofa doesn't seem to get done on the TH side either, so it's tough to see just what the value of Franks is.
Ofa gets done on the tighthead side a few times each season. The blues v brumbies game this year immediately springs to mind.
Also, compare the crusaders maul defence (one of the best in the comp) to the blues (perennially useless) for the answer to your âwhyâ. Yes I know thatâs not down to one player, but the tight five are responsible.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
It's cheating albeit low level
But why does BB feel to move the ball at all
Bearing in mind it's his home ground Does it indicate a lack of confidence?
He did after all miss the penaltyHe was probably unsure if he would make the distance. Or maybe there were other things going through that devious and diabolical mind. Seriously, who gives a sheet. It's like a kicker stealing a yard or two when kicking for touch.
Meh... It isn't really a big deal. Except of course that it feeds into a narrative that the AB's are past masters at going to the edge of the rules, sometimes beyond and getting away with it.
Other teams don't do it as well them - most (if not all) certainly try but get pinged more often. So you can understand some people getting all hot-and-bothered about it when it is spotted after the event.But it is such a stupid thing to get wound up about. It's like picking one particular incident in the game where the ref may have gotten it wrong / missed something and crying about that costing the game.
This game had a good couple of those - going both ways.
Barrett was in touch before passing to Goodhue for the AB try.
SA won a scrum for a knock-on in their 22 when the Bok player had actually made an early tackle on the AB which should have been an easy AB penalty late in the game.
The list goes on and on and on.
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@Billy-Webb if Barrett was actually out that might work...
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@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Billy-Webb if Barrett was actually out that might work...
The end-on camera angle showed he most definitely stayed in. But it was close.
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@Bovidae said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Bones said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Billy-Webb if Barrett was actually out that might work...
The end-on camera angle showed he most definitely stayed in. But it was close.
Yup. Not unhappy with the call.
Probably a poor example to have used but the gist of what I am saying stands - no point in taking single incidents and making a meal of them after the game.
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@Billy-Webb ummm, not exactly making your point to make things up! I'm not unhappy with the decision to award three points for the first Springboks penalty goal even though it missed.
