AB squad for the Rugby Championship
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@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior Crotty has played 15 of 19 SR games this season and a decent amount of minutes. He doesn't have a concussion this time, either. He'll be fine.
I'm not talking about Super Rugby - I'm talking about test match rugby for the All Blacks. When was the last test he played with SBW / Laumape / ALB? How many times has he played with these 3 in a black jersey?
How many times has he played 2-3 tests in a row?
Last year. During the TRC he played 3 consecutive games: the home game against South Africa, the away games against Argentina and South Africa. And then during the EOYT, the games against England and Ireland. The only reason he didn't play the game before the England test was because they used a bunch of rookies and second/third stringers for the test against Japan, and they also fielded a team of 2nd stringers against Italy in the last test.
I can't be bothered to look up other (older) examples; there are plenty. I don't need to prove anything. He's the best 12 we've got and he's likely make the RWC squad.
I don't think anyone strongly disputes the first part, other than to say that (a) he can't be that far ahead of the other 12 options simply because of his injury record and resulting lack of game time and (b) the TWM may in fact have him as their preferred 13, given the opportunities they've given to SBW in the 12 jersey.
The second bolded bit is probably likely to happen, but is - again - entirely dependent on him being injury-free (which, given recent history, should not be take as given!)
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@Canerbry said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior Crotty has played 15 of 19 SR games this season and a decent amount of minutes. He doesn't have a concussion this time, either. He'll be fine.
I'm not talking about Super Rugby - I'm talking about test match rugby for the All Blacks. When was the last test he played with SBW / Laumape / ALB? How many times has he played with these 3 in a black jersey?
How many times has he played 2-3 tests in a row?
Last year. During the TRC he played 3 consecutive games: the home game against South Africa, the away games against Argentina and South Africa. And then during the EOYT, the games against England and Ireland. The only reason he didn't play the game before the England test was because they used a bunch of rookies and second/third stringers for the test against Japan, and they also fielded a team of 2nd stringers against Italy in the last test.
I can't be bothered to look up other examples. I don't need to prove anything. He's the best 12 we've got and he's likely make the RWC squad.
FAKE NEWS HES GLASS
MOUNGAS A ROOKIE
READ IS OLD
CRUDEN IS BETTER THAN CARTER
MARSHALL IS SHIT
We've seen it all before.
Only one of those has proved to be wrong, so I don't understand your point
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Crotty’s biggest problem isn’t so much missing games because of injury it is not being able to finish them because of injury. That isn’t counting the current injury obviously.
SBW is the one who is permanently injured. Often not even making it onto the field to injure himself.
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Backs I'd like to see for Bledisloe , designed to win but also help resolve selection issues.
From 15 to 9: B Smith, Bridge, Goodhue, Laumape, Ioane, Mounga, A Smith
-- reserves: TJP, Barrett and either ALB or else EnnorI think we need to know more about Bridge and Laumape, and whether Mounga can handle 10. I think B. Smith is becoming a pure 15 due to his loss of pace.
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@Yeahtheboys said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Kirwan the best 6 in the world (O’Mahoney) is 6’3 and 107 kg exact same as Jacobson
I tend to think that the best six is Josh Navidi, with Matera bubbling under.
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@cgrant said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Yeahtheboys said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Kirwan the best 6 in the world (O’Mahoney) is 6’3 and 107 kg exact same as Jacobson
I tend to think that the best six is Josh Navidi, with Matera bubbling under.
Navidi is 6'1 so even smaller than Jacobson and O'Mahoney. Modern blindside flankers need a super-high workrate.
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I tend to think crotty has just been really unlucky injury wise with test footy, as stated by others his super rugby record is good. Also at least when he plays he's been good, not like sbw. I just don't see how you can carry a guy who gets penalised every game, who turns the ball over multiple times a game, who is frequently injured - unless he is absolutely brilliant - and I haven't seen much brilliance for a long time now. Imagine if #s 1 to 23 all made a similar number of errors to sbw per game: every single game would be even more disjointed than the last 2 piles of shit we've been subjected to.
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@mariner4life said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
Fuck Luatua would be pretty handy right now
Fucken right he would. Mismanaged badly, and what did we get for it? A few caps for Luke whitelock to then be discarded?
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@reprobate said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@mariner4life said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
Fuck Luatua would be pretty handy right now
Fucken right he would. Mismanaged badly, and what did we get for it? A few caps for Luke whitelock to then be discarded?
Not just Luatua, but Piutau would go nicely on the other wing too. Free BFA to play fullback
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Why can't Cane play on the Blind, Ardie at open and Read at 8?
For me Ardie has to start. He can play 80 at the highest intensity and then you have Cane breaking people in two in the tackle as well.
Read can swing the ole zimmerframe and knock a few down too.
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@nzzp we had our best fullback playing fullback last weekend though. Isn’t that a good a thing?
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@Hooroo said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
Why can't Cane play on the Blind, Ardie at open and Read at 8?
I think this is going to be our top trio, and everywhere but at the lineout it works. Unfortunately in teh lineout you wind up with 2 locks + Read, and then a 'half' option of Savea. Not idea, and it's a compromise, but probably better than Fifita.
Scott Barrett on the bench covering 4-6, and another loosie for impact (take yuor pick).
I have concerns about Jacobsen as a starter, as I think he may be running on fumes at the end of the year. It's a big physical demand on a new professional ... hopefully he's there for experience (in RWC year!)
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@Hooroo said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
Why can't Cane play on the Blind, Ardie at open and Read at 8?
cos Steve said so, thats why!
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@ACT-Crusader said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@nzzp we had our best fullback playing fullback last weekend though. Isn’t that a good a thing?
Not really, as our best fullback is also our best ten (IMO by quite a distance). Ten is more important that 15, so it weakens the team.
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@Kirwan said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@ACT-Crusader said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@nzzp we had our best fullback playing fullback last weekend though. Isn’t that a good a thing?
Not really, as our best fullback is also our best ten (IMO by quite a distance). Ten is more important that 15, so it weakens the team.
Our second best fullback is also playing on the wing which weakens the team further.
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@Hooroo said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
Why can't Cane play on the Blind, Ardie at open and Read at 8?
For me Ardie has to start. He can play 80 at the highest intensity and then you have Cane breaking people in two in the tackle as well.
Read can swing the ole zimmerframe and knock a few down too.
Hanson probably has nightmares about when the lineout was a huge weakness for us, so anything that weakens that is vetoed. So we lose strength in defence, rucks, link play, everything else to keep an extra lineout option with a waste of time like Fifita. Or a flat track bully like Squire.
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Whitelock and Read have always been the main targets in the lineout, followed by Retallick, so having a tall no.6 is not always a necessity. Often the blindside is used as a jumper at the front where explosive jumping is more important.
It's not like we have Blackadder at lock anymore.
