Big Red for 6 Black?
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He's playing well, but I'm very reluctant to throw up rookie players as being ready for All Black selection so early into the SR season. The professional Rugby calendar is a marathon, not a sprint. Let's see how he's performing later in the year in the Mitre 10 Cup before we ordain him as being our next All Black no.6? I know Karl Tu'inukuafe made the All Blacks and performed well in his debut SR season, but that's extremely rare and definitely not the 'norm'.
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@Cantab79 said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
I know Karl Tu'inukuafe made the All Blacks and performed well in his debut SR season, but that's extremely rare and definitely not the 'norm'.I agree it probably won't happen, and, yes, it is too early, but fuck it speculation is fun.
Nehe Milner-Skudder, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Christian Cullen, Conrad Smith and Owen Franks played, and played well for the ABs in their debut Super seasons.
There are probably many others I haven't thought of.
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@Cantab79 tbf, IF he is to be a bolter, he wont be playing M10 Cup later this year.
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@Frank said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@Cantab79 said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
I know Karl Tu'inukuafe made the All Blacks and performed well in his debut SR season, but that's extremely rare and definitely not the 'norm'.I agree it probably won't happen, and, yes, it is too early, but fuck it speculation is fun.
Nehe Milner-Skudder, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Christian Cullen, Conrad Smith and Owen Franks played, and played well for the ABs in their debut Super seasons.
There are probably many others I haven't thought of.
@Frank said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@Cantab79 said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
I know Karl Tu'inukuafe made the All Blacks and performed well in his debut SR season, but that's extremely rare and definitely not the 'norm'.I agree it probably won't happen, and, yes, it is too early, but fuck it speculation is fun.
Nehe Milner-Skudder, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Christian Cullen, Conrad Smith and Owen Franks played, and played well for the ABs in their debut Super seasons.
There are probably many others I haven't thought of.
I think quite a few guys made their Super Rugby debuts when he did.
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@taniwharugby
You're right my comment wasn't worded well. The point I was trying to make was that it's extremely hard for any player, let alone a rookie, to maintain excellent form from February to October, whether they end the season playing provincial Rugby or for the All Blacks. It's not unusual for rookie players to start the Super Rugby season really well, but then fizzle out as the season progresses. -
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@MajorRage
Sure, but early season form is also often misleading. It favours players who have great off seasons and pre-seasons. And early season form is oftehn not sustained. For example this time last year Ben Lam was been talked up as an All Black winger. -
@nzzp said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@Siam said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@nzzp Great time to be a blues fan...😀
First time I've seen that on the fern for years! Without a sarcastic tone that is.
Good on ya, it's a nice feeling when the rain finally stops🙂
Actually, we're seeing the team on an upswing. Still a long way to go, but we're on our way, and I feel far more optimistic than I have for years. The board, the coach and the playing group are starting to deliver. Good to see. Arguing about how good a rookie will be is a discussion we haven't had a lot of over the last few years.
Yeah because no one has ever heard of Gibson, Papalii, hell Perofeta was even dubbed Perofuture.
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@Frank said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
Nehe Milner-Skudder, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Christian Cullen, Conrad Smith and Owen Franks played, and played well for the ABs in their debut Super seasons.
Richie McCaw was so good he got picked before he played Super!
9 Nov 2001:
England-based Kronfeld said after the team were named that All Black jerseys were being handed out too easily."It seems incredible to me that they so easily can put No 7s in ... now they've got a guy off one NPC season," said Kronfeld, once regarded as the world's best openside flanker.
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Posted this a day early Jailbreak! No Northland quota in the AB set up. I've been quietly surprised by Robinson as he looked completely out of his depth on debut but has actually held his own in the last couple of fixtures. Still very much the third banana of that back row though Dalton and Akira both look ready for AB starting gigs next year and have a role to play this season too.
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@rotated said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
Posted this a day early Jailbreak! No Northland quota in the AB set up. I've been quietly surprised by Robinson as he looked completely out of his depth on debut but has actually held his own in the last couple of fixtures. Still very much the third banana of that back row though Dalton and Akira both look ready for AB starting gigs next year and have a role to play this season too.
It's a lot easier to look good as a loosie if the fatties are working hard too. Just a bit more space to range out wide, rather than getting caught around the ruck tackling
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@Bones said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@nzzp said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@Siam said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@nzzp Great time to be a blues fan...😀
First time I've seen that on the fern for years! Without a sarcastic tone that is.
Good on ya, it's a nice feeling when the rain finally stops🙂
Actually, we're seeing the team on an upswing. Still a long way to go, but we're on our way, and I feel far more optimistic than I have for years. The board, the coach and the playing group are starting to deliver. Good to see. Arguing about how good a rookie will be is a discussion we haven't had a lot of over the last few years.
Yeah because no one has ever heard of Gibson, Papalii, hell Perofeta was even dubbed Perofuture.
Perofuture is his nickname from the players and refers to the Blues not the All Blacks.
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Dunno.
But that new AB training jersey sure is nice.
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@nzzp said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@Frank said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
Nehe Milner-Skudder, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Christian Cullen, Conrad Smith and Owen Franks played, and played well for the ABs in their debut Super seasons.
Richie McCaw was so good he got picked before he played Super!
9 Nov 2001:
England-based Kronfeld said after the team were named that All Black jerseys were being handed out too easily."It seems incredible to me that they so easily can put No 7s in ... now they've got a guy off one NPC season," said Kronfeld, once regarded as the world's best openside flanker.
Nah just more Cantab bias
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@ACT-Crusader said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@nzzp said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@Frank said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
Nehe Milner-Skudder, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Christian Cullen, Conrad Smith and Owen Franks played, and played well for the ABs in their debut Super seasons.
Richie McCaw was so good he got picked before he played Super!
9 Nov 2001:
England-based Kronfeld said after the team were named that All Black jerseys were being handed out too easily."It seems incredible to me that they so easily can put No 7s in ... now they've got a guy off one NPC season," said Kronfeld, once regarded as the world's best openside flanker.
Nah just more Cantab bias
For every McCaw you've gotta go through a few Broomhalls
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@Kirwan said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@Bones said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@nzzp said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@Siam said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@nzzp Great time to be a blues fan...😀
First time I've seen that on the fern for years! Without a sarcastic tone that is.
Good on ya, it's a nice feeling when the rain finally stops🙂
Actually, we're seeing the team on an upswing. Still a long way to go, but we're on our way, and I feel far more optimistic than I have for years. The board, the coach and the playing group are starting to deliver. Good to see. Arguing about how good a rookie will be is a discussion we haven't had a lot of over the last few years.
Yeah because no one has ever heard of Gibson, Papalii, hell Perofeta was even dubbed Perofuture.
Perofuture is his nickname from the players and refers to the Blues not the All Blacks.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say?
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@Bones said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@Kirwan said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@Bones said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@nzzp said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@Siam said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@nzzp Great time to be a blues fan...😀
First time I've seen that on the fern for years! Without a sarcastic tone that is.
Good on ya, it's a nice feeling when the rain finally stops🙂
Actually, we're seeing the team on an upswing. Still a long way to go, but we're on our way, and I feel far more optimistic than I have for years. The board, the coach and the playing group are starting to deliver. Good to see. Arguing about how good a rookie will be is a discussion we haven't had a lot of over the last few years.
Yeah because no one has ever heard of Gibson, Papalii, hell Perofeta was even dubbed Perofuture.
Perofuture is his nickname from the players and refers to the Blues not the All Blacks.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say?
He's saying "Perofuture is his nickname from the players and refers to the Blues not the All Blacks"
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@Cantab79 said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@MajorRage
Sure, but early season form is also often misleading. It favours players who have great off seasons and pre-seasons. And early season form is oftehn not sustained. For example this time last year Ben Lam was been talked up as an All Black winger.Agree. But saying he shouldn't play for the AB's this year now as he's only a rookie and it's a WC year, is equally is as ludicrous in my view.
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@Bones said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@Kirwan said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@Bones said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@nzzp said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@Siam said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
@nzzp Great time to be a blues fan...😀
First time I've seen that on the fern for years! Without a sarcastic tone that is.
Good on ya, it's a nice feeling when the rain finally stops🙂
Actually, we're seeing the team on an upswing. Still a long way to go, but we're on our way, and I feel far more optimistic than I have for years. The board, the coach and the playing group are starting to deliver. Good to see. Arguing about how good a rookie will be is a discussion we haven't had a lot of over the last few years.
Yeah because no one has ever heard of Gibson, Papalii, hell Perofeta was even dubbed Perofuture.
Perofuture is his nickname from the players and refers to the Blues not the All Blacks.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say?
I figured you were talking about hype from posters here about the players.
