Boxing Thread
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boxing's biggest issue continues
Tomorrow night Paul Gallen will fight, on the same night, Ben Hannant and Justin Hodges. And it's getting more press and the same level of credence (in the eyes of the casual) that a decent fight between people who actually know what they are doing will get. At least in Aus.
FFS Ben Hannant admitted he's done 12 weeks of boxing in his life, knows he is going to lose badly. But hey, it's a professional fight right?
And for the most part its the same dumb shit talk to try and sell it.Until boxing finds a way to disassociate itself from fucking youtubers and old ex-footballers being able to call themselves "professional fighters" it's going to have no credibility in the eyes of so many (over and above the problems it causes itself)
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@mariner4life There's no depth in Australian boxing. You're either world champion or someone the rest of Oz wants to see get smashed. So on one hand Fenech. Tszyu, or Green vs Mundine, or nothing. As a result, getting a belt in Australian boxing really isn't an achievement. Hence donkeys with an existing public image drives engagement.
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Gallen is pretty damn good for an ex footy player though it must be said. Tough and powerful ( not unlike how he was as a League player ) it would be interesting to see how he would have gone if he’d started much younger.
But yes the fact some of these guys are professional is a bit of a joke.
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One of my fondest childhood sporting memories and possibly one of the best all-time was the Riddick Bowe Andrew Golota II fight.
The grudge match rematch of epic proportions.
Come a few rounds in and it had descended into a mythical brawl the likes of which I've never seen. All technique, professionalism, maybe even higher brain function and basic humanity had deserted both men.
Two punch drunk fighters stumbling around the ring like a pair of drunks with their shoelaces tied together throwing haymakers at each other like they had 20kg dumb bells in their hands instead of boxing gloves.
Me and the old man were watching it laughing uproariously, it started as a professional boxing bout and went south at incredible speed into two men staggering around the ring throwing enormous hay makers at each other. I've never seen anything so funny in professional sport, even after all these years it brings tears of mirth to my eye's recalling the event.
Bowe won, how he remained standing I don't know, he took some incredible hits. I don't think he actually fought high profile after that again, pretty sure that fight ended his career, a few days on his speech was still slurred after the fight.
Golota went on to fight and lose badly to Lennox Lewis, I think the Bowe fight ended him as well.
Ahh the fond memories, boxing certainly is a sport like no other.
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@Windows97 said in Boxing Thread:
One of my fondest childhood sporting memories and possibly one of the best all-time was the Riddick Bowe Andrew Golota II fight.
The grudge match rematch of epic proportions.
Come a few rounds in and it had descended into a mythical brawl the likes of which I've never seen. All technique, professionalism, maybe even higher brain function and basic humanity had deserted both men.
Two punch drunk fighters stumbling around the ring like a pair of drunks with their shoelaces tied together throwing haymakers at each other like they had 20kg dumb bells in their hands instead of boxing gloves.
Me and the old man were watching it laughing uproariously, it started as a professional boxing bout and went south at incredible speed into two men staggering around the ring throwing enormous hay makers at each other. I've never seen anything so funny in professional sport, even after all these years it brings tears of mirth to my eye's recalling the event.
Bowe won, how he remained standing I don't know, he took some incredible hits. I don't think he actually fought high profile after that again, pretty sure that fight ended his career, a few days on his speech was still slurred after the fight.
Golota went on to fight and lose badly to Lennox Lewis, I think the Bowe fight ended him as well.
Ahh the fond memories, boxing certainly is a sport like no other.
Big Daddy Bowe was a tremendous fighter. Incredible record, just the one loss and that was to Evander Holyfield who he beat twice as well.
Not rated too highly in the annals of boxing history, then again it could be argued he didn’t fight many names…….
Never fought Lewis which was a shame, that would have been incredible and I think he might have had the goods to beat Tyson if they fought as well.
Andrew Golota had the talent to be a legend but was completely fucked in the head. There was some controversy over how he quit vs Tyson but apparently he was badly injured and hadn’t recovered ?
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It's on like Donkey Kong
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@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
It's on like Donkey Kong
Woooooooooo ! How good ?
Hopefully they don't fuck around with the signing of the contracts
Then magic
Fury inside 6
Only chance AJ has is to go balls to the wall in the first 2 rounds
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@mariner4life yeah there is plenty happening in the world of boxing ,
Canelo fights ggg for example this Sunday , there are big fights on every month ,
But countries like Australia and New Zealand whose mainstream media don’t really cover the sport , would rather give press to nonsense fights .
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@MiketheSnow respect where it’s due for AJ taking this ,
I mean you would think after the consecutive losses the thing to do would be to take a couple of easy fights to get the confidence back ,
Kind of surprised it’s happening, but rapt it is
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@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@Windows97 said in Boxing Thread:
One of my fondest childhood sporting memories and possibly one of the best all-time was the Riddick Bowe Andrew Golota II fight.
The grudge match rematch of epic proportions.
Come a few rounds in and it had descended into a mythical brawl the likes of which I've never seen. All technique, professionalism, maybe even higher brain function and basic humanity had deserted both men.
Two punch drunk fighters stumbling around the ring like a pair of drunks with their shoelaces tied together throwing haymakers at each other like they had 20kg dumb bells in their hands instead of boxing gloves.
Me and the old man were watching it laughing uproariously, it started as a professional boxing bout and went south at incredible speed into two men staggering around the ring throwing enormous hay makers at each other. I've never seen anything so funny in professional sport, even after all these years it brings tears of mirth to my eye's recalling the event.
Bowe won, how he remained standing I don't know, he took some incredible hits. I don't think he actually fought high profile after that again, pretty sure that fight ended his career, a few days on his speech was still slurred after the fight.
Golota went on to fight and lose badly to Lennox Lewis, I think the Bowe fight ended him as well.
Ahh the fond memories, boxing certainly is a sport like no other.
Big Daddy Bowe was a tremendous fighter. Incredible record, just the one loss and that was to Evander Holyfield who he beat twice as well.
Not rated too highly in the annals of boxing history, then again it could be argued he didn’t fight many names…….
Never fought Lewis which was a shame, that would have been incredible and I think he might have had the goods to beat Tyson if they fought as well.
Andrew Golota had the talent to be a legend but was completely fucked in the head. There was some controversy over how he quit vs Tyson but apparently he was badly injured and hadn’t recovered ?
They say that is one fight Tyson didn’t want , they went to school together and they say bowe was the biggest toughest kid around when they were growing up ,
Not sure if it was psychological or just out of respect through being school friends, but it’s the one fight he didn’t want to happen .
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@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@Windows97 said in Boxing Thread:
One of my fondest childhood sporting memories and possibly one of the best all-time was the Riddick Bowe Andrew Golota II fight.
The grudge match rematch of epic proportions.
Come a few rounds in and it had descended into a mythical brawl the likes of which I've never seen. All technique, professionalism, maybe even higher brain function and basic humanity had deserted both men.
Two punch drunk fighters stumbling around the ring like a pair of drunks with their shoelaces tied together throwing haymakers at each other like they had 20kg dumb bells in their hands instead of boxing gloves.
Me and the old man were watching it laughing uproariously, it started as a professional boxing bout and went south at incredible speed into two men staggering around the ring throwing enormous hay makers at each other. I've never seen anything so funny in professional sport, even after all these years it brings tears of mirth to my eye's recalling the event.
Bowe won, how he remained standing I don't know, he took some incredible hits. I don't think he actually fought high profile after that again, pretty sure that fight ended his career, a few days on his speech was still slurred after the fight.
Golota went on to fight and lose badly to Lennox Lewis, I think the Bowe fight ended him as well.
Ahh the fond memories, boxing certainly is a sport like no other.
Big Daddy Bowe was a tremendous fighter. Incredible record, just the one loss and that was to Evander Holyfield who he beat twice as well.
Not rated too highly in the annals of boxing history, then again it could be argued he didn’t fight many names…….
Never fought Lewis which was a shame, that would have been incredible and I think he might have had the goods to beat Tyson if they fought as well.
Andrew Golota had the talent to be a legend but was completely fucked in the head. There was some controversy over how he quit vs Tyson but apparently he was badly injured and hadn’t recovered ?
They say that is one fight Tyson didn’t want , they went to school together and they say bowe was the biggest toughest kid around when they were growing up ,
Not sure if it was psychological or just out of respect through being school friends, but it’s the one fight he didn’t want to happen .
….and that’s the beauty of it isn’t it ?
Tyson looked more formidable than ANYONE when on form and demolishing guys….but against someone bigger and not afraid the tables often got turned.
Lots of experts reckon Bowe would have done a Lewis on him even at their respective bests.
Not to mention that Tyson never once got up to win after being knocked down and his resume lacked beating really top flight fighters at their best ( like Bowe I guess )
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@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@Windows97 said in Boxing Thread:
One of my fondest childhood sporting memories and possibly one of the best all-time was the Riddick Bowe Andrew Golota II fight.
The grudge match rematch of epic proportions.
Come a few rounds in and it had descended into a mythical brawl the likes of which I've never seen. All technique, professionalism, maybe even higher brain function and basic humanity had deserted both men.
Two punch drunk fighters stumbling around the ring like a pair of drunks with their shoelaces tied together throwing haymakers at each other like they had 20kg dumb bells in their hands instead of boxing gloves.
Me and the old man were watching it laughing uproariously, it started as a professional boxing bout and went south at incredible speed into two men staggering around the ring throwing enormous hay makers at each other. I've never seen anything so funny in professional sport, even after all these years it brings tears of mirth to my eye's recalling the event.
Bowe won, how he remained standing I don't know, he took some incredible hits. I don't think he actually fought high profile after that again, pretty sure that fight ended his career, a few days on his speech was still slurred after the fight.
Golota went on to fight and lose badly to Lennox Lewis, I think the Bowe fight ended him as well.
Ahh the fond memories, boxing certainly is a sport like no other.
Big Daddy Bowe was a tremendous fighter. Incredible record, just the one loss and that was to Evander Holyfield who he beat twice as well.
Not rated too highly in the annals of boxing history, then again it could be argued he didn’t fight many names…….
Never fought Lewis which was a shame, that would have been incredible and I think he might have had the goods to beat Tyson if they fought as well.
Andrew Golota had the talent to be a legend but was completely fucked in the head. There was some controversy over how he quit vs Tyson but apparently he was badly injured and hadn’t recovered ?
They say that is one fight Tyson didn’t want , they went to school together and they say bowe was the biggest toughest kid around when they were growing up ,
Not sure if it was psychological or just out of respect through being school friends, but it’s the one fight he didn’t want to happen .
….and that’s the beauty of it isn’t it ?
Tyson looked more formidable than ANYONE when on form and demolishing guys….but against someone bigger and not afraid the tables often got turned.
Lots of experts reckon Bowe would have done a Lewis on him even at their respective bests.
Not to mention that Tyson never once got up to win after being knocked down and his resume lacked beating really top flight fighters at their best ( like Bowe I guess )
I believe there is no such thing as an unbeatable fighter , even if some do make it through undefeated
All can and usually do at some point meet their own personal type of fighter that can make life awkward for them ,
Even Ali , who we like to think of as the greatest , lost fights . Frazier and Norton were not great match ups for him , he beat them and took losses, but he got hit and hit hard in the process , which is something we didn’t normally associate with him due to his elite defence ,
Tyson was a fucken machine at his best , but still had his moments where he looked vulnerable , particularly in the second half of fights if he didn’t get the early stoppage
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@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow respect where it’s due for AJ taking this ,
I mean you would think after the consecutive losses the thing to do would be to take a couple of easy fights to get the confidence back ,
Kind of surprised it’s happening, but rapt it is
Nothing to lose
No brainer
Nobody is expecting him to win after two consecutive losses
And he has the built in excuse of not enough time between fighting Usyk and then Fury
Fury is taking a massive risk
But he obviously smells blood in the water
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@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow respect where it’s due for AJ taking this ,
I mean you would think after the consecutive losses the thing to do would be to take a couple of easy fights to get the confidence back ,
Kind of surprised it’s happening, but rapt it is
Nothing to lose
No brainer
Nobody is expecting him to win after two consecutive losses
And he has the built in excuse of not enough time between fighting Usyk and then Fury
Fury is taking a massive risk
But he obviously smells blood in the water
I guess it’s make or break , and the pressure comes off a bit compared to the last usyk fight , if he loses I think that’s 4 losses in 5 fights though off the top of my head ,
I’m expecting Tyson to win but does have a bit of a banana skin feel about it with the unification fight with usyk just around the corner
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@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow respect where it’s due for AJ taking this ,
I mean you would think after the consecutive losses the thing to do would be to take a couple of easy fights to get the confidence back ,
Kind of surprised it’s happening, but rapt it is
Nothing to lose
No brainer
Nobody is expecting him to win after two consecutive losses
And he has the built in excuse of not enough time between fighting Usyk and then Fury
Fury is taking a massive risk
But he obviously smells blood in the water
Or AJ is facing up to the realisation of his ceiling and is taking what he can with a chance. It's kind of all or nothing for him. He won't want to be a gateway fighter (and is too good for that anyway) so if he can't be at the very top then that's it.
If you are at JPs level you get to hover in the zone of paydays and challenges for a while as others are willing to fight you. -
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@Windows97 said in Boxing Thread:
One of my fondest childhood sporting memories and possibly one of the best all-time was the Riddick Bowe Andrew Golota II fight.
The grudge match rematch of epic proportions.
Come a few rounds in and it had descended into a mythical brawl the likes of which I've never seen. All technique, professionalism, maybe even higher brain function and basic humanity had deserted both men.
Two punch drunk fighters stumbling around the ring like a pair of drunks with their shoelaces tied together throwing haymakers at each other like they had 20kg dumb bells in their hands instead of boxing gloves.
Me and the old man were watching it laughing uproariously, it started as a professional boxing bout and went south at incredible speed into two men staggering around the ring throwing enormous hay makers at each other. I've never seen anything so funny in professional sport, even after all these years it brings tears of mirth to my eye's recalling the event.
Bowe won, how he remained standing I don't know, he took some incredible hits. I don't think he actually fought high profile after that again, pretty sure that fight ended his career, a few days on his speech was still slurred after the fight.
Golota went on to fight and lose badly to Lennox Lewis, I think the Bowe fight ended him as well.
Ahh the fond memories, boxing certainly is a sport like no other.
Big Daddy Bowe was a tremendous fighter. Incredible record, just the one loss and that was to Evander Holyfield who he beat twice as well.
Not rated too highly in the annals of boxing history, then again it could be argued he didn’t fight many names…….
Never fought Lewis which was a shame, that would have been incredible and I think he might have had the goods to beat Tyson if they fought as well.
Andrew Golota had the talent to be a legend but was completely fucked in the head. There was some controversy over how he quit vs Tyson but apparently he was badly injured and hadn’t recovered ?
They say that is one fight Tyson didn’t want , they went to school together and they say bowe was the biggest toughest kid around when they were growing up ,
Not sure if it was psychological or just out of respect through being school friends, but it’s the one fight he didn’t want to happen .
….and that’s the beauty of it isn’t it ?
Tyson looked more formidable than ANYONE when on form and demolishing guys….but against someone bigger and not afraid the tables often got turned.
Lots of experts reckon Bowe would have done a Lewis on him even at their respective bests.
Not to mention that Tyson never once got up to win after being knocked down and his resume lacked beating really top flight fighters at their best ( like Bowe I guess )
> I believe there is no such thing as an unbeatable fighter , even if some do make it through undefeated
All can and usually do at some point meet their own personal type of fighter that can make life awkward for them ,
Even Ali , who we like to think of as the greatest , lost fights . Frazier and Norton were not great match ups for him , he beat them and took losses, but he got hit and hit hard in the process , which is something we didn’t normally associate with him due to his elite defence ,
Tyson was a fucken machine at his best , but still had his moments where he looked vulnerable , particularly in the second half of fights if he didn’t get the early stoppage
Definitely. I think Liston or Foreman would have destroyed Marciano if they fought ( Joe Frazier principle )
Ali fought EVERYONE though and even not at his best usually got the job done. I believe overall he was the greatest.
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@Crucial said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow respect where it’s due for AJ taking this ,
I mean you would think after the consecutive losses the thing to do would be to take a couple of easy fights to get the confidence back ,
Kind of surprised it’s happening, but rapt it is
Nothing to lose
No brainer
Nobody is expecting him to win after two consecutive losses
And he has the built in excuse of not enough time between fighting Usyk and then Fury
Fury is taking a massive risk
But he obviously smells blood in the water
Or AJ is facing up to the realisation of his ceiling and is taking what he can with a chance. It's kind of all or nothing for him. He won't want to be a gateway fighter (and is too good for that anyway) so if he can't be at the very top then that's it.
If you are at JPs level you get to hover in the zone of paydays and challenges for a while as others are willing to fight you.He has hit his ceiling. His upcoming fight will be very interesting
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@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@Windows97 said in Boxing Thread:
One of my fondest childhood sporting memories and possibly one of the best all-time was the Riddick Bowe Andrew Golota II fight.
The grudge match rematch of epic proportions.
Come a few rounds in and it had descended into a mythical brawl the likes of which I've never seen. All technique, professionalism, maybe even higher brain function and basic humanity had deserted both men.
Two punch drunk fighters stumbling around the ring like a pair of drunks with their shoelaces tied together throwing haymakers at each other like they had 20kg dumb bells in their hands instead of boxing gloves.
Me and the old man were watching it laughing uproariously, it started as a professional boxing bout and went south at incredible speed into two men staggering around the ring throwing enormous hay makers at each other. I've never seen anything so funny in professional sport, even after all these years it brings tears of mirth to my eye's recalling the event.
Bowe won, how he remained standing I don't know, he took some incredible hits. I don't think he actually fought high profile after that again, pretty sure that fight ended his career, a few days on his speech was still slurred after the fight.
Golota went on to fight and lose badly to Lennox Lewis, I think the Bowe fight ended him as well.
Ahh the fond memories, boxing certainly is a sport like no other.
Big Daddy Bowe was a tremendous fighter. Incredible record, just the one loss and that was to Evander Holyfield who he beat twice as well.
Not rated too highly in the annals of boxing history, then again it could be argued he didn’t fight many names…….
Never fought Lewis which was a shame, that would have been incredible and I think he might have had the goods to beat Tyson if they fought as well.
Andrew Golota had the talent to be a legend but was completely fucked in the head. There was some controversy over how he quit vs Tyson but apparently he was badly injured and hadn’t recovered ?
They say that is one fight Tyson didn’t want , they went to school together and they say bowe was the biggest toughest kid around when they were growing up ,
Not sure if it was psychological or just out of respect through being school friends, but it’s the one fight he didn’t want to happen .
….and that’s the beauty of it isn’t it ?
Tyson looked more formidable than ANYONE when on form and demolishing guys….but against someone bigger and not afraid the tables often got turned.
Lots of experts reckon Bowe would have done a Lewis on him even at their respective bests.
Not to mention that Tyson never once got up to win after being knocked down and his resume lacked beating really top flight fighters at their best ( like Bowe I guess )
> I believe there is no such thing as an unbeatable fighter , even if some do make it through undefeated
All can and usually do at some point meet their own personal type of fighter that can make life awkward for them ,
Even Ali , who we like to think of as the greatest , lost fights . Frazier and Norton were not great match ups for him , he beat them and took losses, but he got hit and hit hard in the process , which is something we didn’t normally associate with him due to his elite defence ,
Tyson was a fucken machine at his best , but still had his moments where he looked vulnerable , particularly in the second half of fights if he didn’t get the early stoppage
Definitely. I think Liston or Foreman would have destroyed Marciano if they fought ( Joe Frazier principle )
Ali fought EVERYONE though and even not at his best usually got the job done. I believe overall he was the greatest.
I believe he was too and I wasn’t intending to put him down , but more emphasis there are styles that can trouble different fighters ,
And going back over what I said , Frazier and Norton stylistically gave him some issues, both had some success , then foreman absolutely demolishes those two ,
Everyone is predicting foreman to destroy Ali based on those fights , then we know what happens next , it’s not always that straight forward
In the current era many knowledgeable people are saying usyk s continuous movement and southpaw stance may cause fury big problems
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@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@Windows97 said in Boxing Thread:
One of my fondest childhood sporting memories and possibly one of the best all-time was the Riddick Bowe Andrew Golota II fight.
The grudge match rematch of epic proportions.
Come a few rounds in and it had descended into a mythical brawl the likes of which I've never seen. All technique, professionalism, maybe even higher brain function and basic humanity had deserted both men.
Two punch drunk fighters stumbling around the ring like a pair of drunks with their shoelaces tied together throwing haymakers at each other like they had 20kg dumb bells in their hands instead of boxing gloves.
Me and the old man were watching it laughing uproariously, it started as a professional boxing bout and went south at incredible speed into two men staggering around the ring throwing enormous hay makers at each other. I've never seen anything so funny in professional sport, even after all these years it brings tears of mirth to my eye's recalling the event.
Bowe won, how he remained standing I don't know, he took some incredible hits. I don't think he actually fought high profile after that again, pretty sure that fight ended his career, a few days on his speech was still slurred after the fight.
Golota went on to fight and lose badly to Lennox Lewis, I think the Bowe fight ended him as well.
Ahh the fond memories, boxing certainly is a sport like no other.
Big Daddy Bowe was a tremendous fighter. Incredible record, just the one loss and that was to Evander Holyfield who he beat twice as well.
Not rated too highly in the annals of boxing history, then again it could be argued he didn’t fight many names…….
Never fought Lewis which was a shame, that would have been incredible and I think he might have had the goods to beat Tyson if they fought as well.
Andrew Golota had the talent to be a legend but was completely fucked in the head. There was some controversy over how he quit vs Tyson but apparently he was badly injured and hadn’t recovered ?
They say that is one fight Tyson didn’t want , they went to school together and they say bowe was the biggest toughest kid around when they were growing up ,
Not sure if it was psychological or just out of respect through being school friends, but it’s the one fight he didn’t want to happen .
….and that’s the beauty of it isn’t it ?
Tyson looked more formidable than ANYONE when on form and demolishing guys….but against someone bigger and not afraid the tables often got turned.
Lots of experts reckon Bowe would have done a Lewis on him even at their respective bests.
Not to mention that Tyson never once got up to win after being knocked down and his resume lacked beating really top flight fighters at their best ( like Bowe I guess )
> I believe there is no such thing as an unbeatable fighter , even if some do make it through undefeated
All can and usually do at some point meet their own personal type of fighter that can make life awkward for them ,
Even Ali , who we like to think of as the greatest , lost fights . Frazier and Norton were not great match ups for him , he beat them and took losses, but he got hit and hit hard in the process , which is something we didn’t normally associate with him due to his elite defence ,
Tyson was a fucken machine at his best , but still had his moments where he looked vulnerable , particularly in the second half of fights if he didn’t get the early stoppage
Definitely. I think Liston or Foreman would have destroyed Marciano if they fought ( Joe Frazier principle )
Ali fought EVERYONE though and even not at his best usually got the job done. I believe overall he was the greatest.
I believe he was too and I wasn’t intending to put him down , but more emphasis there are styles that can trouble different fighters ,
And going back over what I said , Frazier and Norton stylistically gave him some issues, both had some success , then foreman absolutely demolishes those two ,
Everyone is predicting foreman to destroy Ali based on those fights , then we know what happens next , it’s not always that straight forward
In the current era many knowledgeable people are saying usyk s continuous movement and southpaw stance may cause fury big problems
Norton is a tough one to rate. Gave Ali absolute fits with his style…….but George Foreman, Earnie Shavers and Gerry Cooney punched him out relatively easily ( could be argued he was past it by the time he fought Cooney )
Then again Ali couldn’t knock out Norton in 45 rounds but knocked out Liston in one which to me confirms he took a dive…..
I personally can’t see Usyk causing Fury any issues as he’ll use his bulk to nullify any forward momentum but I could be completely wrong.
