Invitational, provincial, local & school sevens tournaments
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Recruitment is being done through a mixture of schools comps and high performance groups at the moment. Most possible players are well identified anyway and the younger ones will be in NZSS selections at World Schools.
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@Crucial From the NZR side, I understand that, but what about Kiwis who like to watch these tournaments? And players, who aren't in that pathway, who just liked playing in these (regional & central) tournaments, repping their province?
Same with Jock Hobbs U19 tournament. Gone. I really think it's a loss.
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@Stargazer said in Invitational, provincial, local & school sevens tournaments:
@Crucial From the NZR side, I understand that, but what about Kiwis who like to watch these tournaments? And players, who aren't in that pathway, who just liked playing in these (regional & central) tournaments, repping their province?
Same with Jock Hobbs U19 tournament. Gone. I really think it's a loss.
Yeah it’s a loss. I was explaining how it is currently working, not condoning the loss of the previous set up.
I have no idea why the provincial sevens stuff hasn’t come back.
In the old days it used to be a weekend tournament with Titch on the sideline in his deckchair -
The Condor 7s are this weekend:
Open Senior Championship Sat 3 - Sun 4 December 2022
(Invitational) Senior Cup Mon 5 - Tue 6 December 2022It's not broadcast on Sky, but I'm reading in comments on Facebook that Sideline live are going to stream it. Nothing on their website or social media to suggest that this is true. Could still happen, but Sideline live isn't the same quality anymore since it changed hands about 2 years ago.
The draws are on the Condor 7s website:
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The Condor Sevens will indeed be streamed on Sideline live. They expect you to pay $19.95 to watch the tournament (I think it's $7.95 to watch the streaming from one field). Personally, I'm not going to fork out nearly 20 dollars for a two-day school sevens tournament.
The World School Sevens in two weeks will be on Sky.
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@Stargazer said in Invitational, provincial, local & school sevens tournaments:
The Condor Sevens will indeed be streamed on Sideline live. They expect you to pay $19.95 to watch the tournament (I think it's $7.95 to watch the streaming from one field). Personally, I'm not going to fork out nearly 20 dollars for a two-day school sevens tournament.
The World School Sevens in two weeks will be on Sky.
I just came to post the same in case you missed it 😀
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Just reading that Hamilton BHS won the Condors again (beating Kelston 22-21). Seven in a row now.
I will be curious to see the Condor team as none of the Hamilton BHS players will be able to play due to their World Schools Festival commitments. That tournament runs from Dec 11-18.
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@Bovidae said in Invitational, provincial, local & school sevens tournaments:
Just reading that Hamilton BHS won the Condors again (beating Kelston 22-21). Seven in a row now.
I will be curious to see the Condor team as none of the Hamilton BHS players will be able to play due to their World Schools Festival commitments. That tournament runs from Dec 11-18.
Are they entering their own team at World Schools?
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@Crucial said in Invitational, provincial, local & school sevens tournaments:
Are they entering their own team at World Schools?
No, they are attending the XVs tournament in Thailand.
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@Bovidae said in Invitational, provincial, local & school sevens tournaments:
@Crucial said in Invitational, provincial, local & school sevens tournaments:
Are they entering their own team at World Schools?
No, they are attending the XVs tournament in Thailand.
Cheers. Getting to two similarly named comps mixed up
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We are very pleased to announce the tournament teams selected from the incredible players in the 2022 Condor 7s Championship.
Congratulations to all selected in the tournament teams, and thanks again to all participating teams and players over the weekend!
Female Tournament Team
Pounamu Wharehinga - Manukura
Arlia MacCarthy - MAGS
Kaane Maiava - MAGS
Maia Davis - Manukura
Zahnia Papali’i - MAGS
Justine McGregor - St Marys Wellington
Le’Oxeayn Maiu’u - MAGS
Taufa Bason - FAHS Feilding High School
Arene Landon-Lane - St Marys Wellington
Ane Tavita-Fesolai - MAGS
Nia Sutherland - Manukura
Aaliyah Konui - Hamilton Girls
Leiana Marshall-Barton - Manukura
Holly Williams - WestlakeMale Tournament Team
Tali Ioasa - Hastings Boys
Micah Fale - St Johns Hamilton
King Maxwell - Gisborne Boys
Xavi Taele - St Kentigerns College
Liam Anderson - Hamilton Boys
Ollie Mathis - Hamilton Boys
Nathan Salmon - Whangarei Boys
Fletcher Carpenter - Palmerston North Boys
Luca Fuller - King's College
Ratu Naborisi - Kelston Boys
Maloni Kunawave - Rotorua Boys
Xavier Tito-Harris - Kelston Boys
Star Sami - Kelston Boys
Waisake Salabiau - Rotorua Boys -
So I am still guessing that the NZ Schools teams listed as entries in the WS7s are these teams. Mind you these 'tournament teams' are usually a best of announcement rather than a selection for another team.
It has all been a bit confusing as some players and coaches have been told that NZ Schools are not the Condors tournament teams and to hold off finalising squads until NZSS are selected. That's why there will be a lot of last minute shuffling of players through NZSS/ NZ Cavaliers/ NZ Barbarians etc etc. Many players have options being held open for them.
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Teams have been named. It's interesting they are also selecting players who have left school. It is different to the Condor Tournament team.
New Zealand Under 18 Boys Sevens Team
Andrew Smith (Hautapu Sports Club)
Cody Vai (St Peter's School Cambridge)
Fletcher Carpenter (Palmerston North Boys' High School)
Grady Forbes (Tauranga Sports Rugby Club)
Isaac Hutchinson (Marist Albion)
King Maxwell (Gisborne Boys' High School)
Malachi Wrampling-Alec (Te Awamutu Rugby Sports & Rec Club)
Maloni Kunawave (Rotorua Boys' High School)
Micah Fale (St John's College, Hamilton)
Riley Williams (Waitemata Rugby Football Club)
Star Sami (Kelston Boys’ High School)
Tali Ioasa (Hastings Boys' High School)
Waisake Salabiau (Rotorua Boys' High School)
Xavier Tito-Harris (Kelston Boys' High School)Note: No players from Hamilton Boys’ Tour were considered for selection
https://www.allblacks.com/news/new-zealand-under-18-sevens-teams-named-for-world-school-sevens/
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New Zealand Under 18 Girls Sevens Team
Abby Lockhart (Auckland Marist Rugby Football Club)
Arene Landon-Lane (St Mary's College)
Arlia MacCarthy (Mount Albert Grammar School)
Justine McGregor (St Mary's College)
Kaane Maiava (Mount Albert Grammar School)
Le'Oxeayn Maiu'u (Mount Albert Grammar School)
Maia Davis (MANUKURA)
Manea Waaka (Marian College)
Nia Sutherland (MANUKURA)
Pounamu Wharehinga (MANUKURA)
Shyrah Tuliau-Tua'a (Sacred Heart College, Hamilton)
Logo-I-Pulotu Lemapu Atai'i (Sylvia) Brunt (Ponsonby Rugby Football Club)
Taufa Bason (Fielding High School)
Zahnia Papali'i (Mount Albert Grammar School)New Zealand Māori Under 18 Ngā Whatukura (Boys) Sevens
Bryson Crawford-Pakoti (Hastings Boys’ High School, Ngāti Kahungunu ki Heretaunga)
Dallas Rata-Makene (Hamilton Boys’ High School, Ngā Puhi, Ngāti Raukawa)
Jai Tamati (Rotorua Boys’ High School, Ngāti Maniapoto)
Josh Brunger (Whanganui Collegiate School, Ngāti Apa)
Kees Van der Heyden (Rotorua Boys’ High School, Ngāti Maniapoto)
Kyan Rangitutia (St Johns College, Hamilton, Ngāti Raukawa, Ngā Puhi)
Luca Fuller (Kings College, Auckland, Ngā Rauru)
Piripi Tapsell (Tauranga Boys’ College, Ngāti Porou)
Stanley Solomon (Wellington College, Ngāi Tahu)
Tadgh O’Connor (Palmerston North Boys’ High School, Ngāti Hauiti)
Tayne Harvey (Palmerston North Boys’ High School, Ngāti Raukawa)
Te Hamana Te Aute (Rotorua Boys’ High School, Te Arawa)
Toby Bell (Kerikeri High School, Ngā Puhi)
Xavi Taele (St Kentigern College, Ngāi Tahu)New Zealand Under 18 Māori Ngā Māreikura (Girls) Sevens
Lucy Mahuika (Nayland College, Ngāi Tahu)
Penelope Taulafo (St Andrews College , Ngāti Hine, Ngāpuhi, Ngati Hāuiti)
Keighley Simpson (Sacred Heart Girls' College New Plymouth, Te Ātiawa, Ngāti Maru)
Holly Williams (Westlake Girls High School, Ngāti Maru (Hauraki), Ngāti Paoa)
Alizay Grant (MANUKURA, Te Aitanga-a-Māhaki)
Leiana Marshall-Barton (MANUKURA, Tainui)
Mia Maraku (MANUKURA, Ngāti Tūwharetoa (ki Taupō))
Amelia Pasikala (Hastings Rugby & Sports Club, Ngāti Kahungunu ki Te Wairoa)
Aaliyah Konui (Hamilton Girls High School, Tainui/Ngāpuhi/Tūwharetoa)
Anyis Drossaerts-Lake (MANUKURA, Ngā Puhi,Ngāti Hine,Ngāti Maniapoto)
Ashlee Forsyth (Buller High School, Tūhoe, Whakatōhea)
Hinemaringi Scott (University of Waikato RFC, Tūhoe, Te Ātiawa)
Sienna Stowers-Smith (St Andrew’s College, Ngāti Tama)
Bailey Nightingale (St Mary’s College, Wellington, Tainui, Ngāpuhi) -
@Bovidae said in Invitational, provincial, local & school sevens tournaments:
Teams have been named. It's interesting they are also selecting players who have left school. It is different to the Condor Tournament team.
It follows the example of the NZ Barbarians Schools team in XVs. The past few squads also had club players who had already left school.
I guess they are now more age grade (U18) teams than a schools' teams, despite the name of the tournament.
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@Stargazer said in Invitational, provincial, local & school sevens tournaments:
@Bovidae said in Invitational, provincial, local & school sevens tournaments:
Teams have been named. It's interesting they are also selecting players who have left school. It is different to the Condor Tournament team.
It follows the example of the NZ Barbarians Schools team in XVs. The past few squads also had club players who had already left school.
I guess they are now more age grade (U18) teams than a schools' teams, despite the name of the tournament.
Yeah, and you forget how young some of these players still are. Smith, Hutchinson and Williams were all in the NZ U19s. Both Smith and Wrampling-Alec were in the Chiefs U20s this year and could be for another 1-2 years.
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@Bovidae said in Invitational, provincial, local & school sevens tournaments:
Teams have been named. It's interesting they are also selecting players who have left school. It is different to the Condor Tournament team.
Same as last year then.
I think they decided to make it U18 and attended school during the year.
