Invitational, provincial, local & school sevens tournaments
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in Invitational, provincial, local & school sevens tournaments:
World Rugby has given its blessing for England, Scotland and Wales to unite as a British team on the Sevens Series circuit from 2023. The three countries traditionally usually only combined their forces for the Olympic tournaments, but they will now compete as one across the annual sevens calendar from next year.
“The decision, which aligns with their Olympic participation status and qualification pathway, means there will be no team relegated from the men’s HSBC World Rugby Sevens Series 2022, as England, Scotland and Wales are replaced by a GB team, while GB will directly replace England in the women’s series.I think they should change the 6N to the 3N, obviously the future
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Where does NI fit into that?
Olympics wise are they part of the UK? Whereas they're part of Ireland for rugby.
Or is GB literally just the GB part of the UK?
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@booboo said in Invitational, provincial, local & school sevens tournaments:
Where does NI fit into that?
Olympics wise are they part of the UK? Whereas they're part of Ireland for rugby.
Or is GB literally just the GB part of the UK?
As far as I know, NI play for GB, as is based on country by default.
Officially, the team is the "Great Britain and Northern Ireland Olympic Team",[1] although athletes from Northern Ireland may opt to compete under the auspices of the Olympic Federation of Ireland instead.
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No Condors teams this time but a NZSS team which may mop up performers from the Condors the week before that aren’t already committed elsewhere.
Most teams will be filling their rosters well before that though so hard to work out which is the “premier” side -
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@Stargazer said in Invitational, provincial, local & school sevens tournaments:
@Crucial I wish they stuck to "national teams" or heritage teams, and not teams like "Two Blues" (a Sydney club?) and Zambesi Steelers (a commercial invitational team). Not sure who CRG Barbarians, Central Storm and Rugby Vault are.
Central Storm are a Wellington based team that made the final last year. Girls from Wellington, Poo, HB (and one ring in from SI)
These teams are all invitational as far as I know. You pay a fee and get to make a team and play. Many of the squads are already recruited although in the past there has been a best of from Condors as a team which has been quite strong.
Maybe that team was pre recruited as well?
I don’t know how the Schools team will be selected or the Baabaas and Cavs.
I think there are some players that have been approached by a couple of teams and are waiting to see who is coaching and how the team is being selected before deciding -
@Crucial The Condors team always was the Condors 7s tournament team, with sometimes a player added from a school not playing at the Condors 7s tournament. I expect the NZSS team to be largely the same. IIRC, the Cavaliers team is like a 2nd team, similar to the Condors team (with the next ranked players), but I may confuse it with one of the other teams.
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@Stargazer said in Invitational, provincial, local & school sevens tournaments:
@Crucial The Condors team always was the Condors 7s tournament team, with sometimes a player added from a school not playing at the Condors 7s tournament. I expect the NZSS team to be largely the same. IIRC, the Cavaliers team is like a 2nd team, similar to the Condors team (with the next ranked players), but I may confuse it with one of the other teams.
So do all the other NZ sides wait for the Condors team to be selected? Maybe being only a week apart has scuttled that?
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@Bovidae said in Invitational, provincial, local & school sevens tournaments:
The NZ Barbarians were the NZ B team. IIRC the Asian Dragons were the surprise boys team and included Jordi Viljoen amongst others.
Ah okay. I wasn't sure whether it was the Barbarians or Cavaliers team.
That selection from Viljoen in the AD team was surprising. Nothing Asian about him, but I guess they needed to put him somewhere haha.
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@Stargazer Malachi Wrampling-Alec was in the team too, so it wasn't Asian.
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New Zealand Rugby (NZR) identified the importance of the World School Sevens tournament in the domestic sevens calendar, and will officially oversee the New Zealand Under 18 and Under 18 Māori teams for the first time.
Ben Fisher, New Zealand Rugby’s High Performance Pathways Manager, said the inclusion of the teams in the sevens pathway is an exciting step for aspiring sevens stars.“Both sevens programmes have a strong history of selecting talented school leavers and developing them into world class rugby players. Overseeing these teams gives us the opportunity to bring their campaigns in line with our high performance programmes and while they only have a short time together it will hopefully give them a taste of what a future in sevens can look like.
Coaches:
New Zealand Under 18 Boys - All Blacks Sevens Assistant Coach Euan MackintoshNew Zealand Under 18 Girls - former Black Fern and Black Ferns Sevens player Kristina Sue
New Zealand Māori Under 18 Ngā Whatukura (Boys) - Karna Luke (already involved with this team (coach?), also Sacred Heart Colelge 1st XV?), Brendan Nolan (rugby development officer Sydenham RC & former Director of Rugby at the Singapore Cricket Club Rugby Academy) and former Māori All Black Jackson Willison
New Zealand Māori Under 18 Ngā Māreikura (Girls) - Matatū first five-eighth Te Rauoriwa Gapper, La Winitana (Wellington Māori Girls coach) and Reuben Samuels (former Brazil Women's 7s coach)
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@Bovidae The AB 7s can use some speed!
I wonder whether they're now going to use the World School 7s as a pathway instead of the Ignite 7s? That seems to have disappeared since covid.
No regional and central (provincial) sevens this year again, either. A real shame!
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Recruitment is being done through a mixture of schools comps and high performance groups at the moment. Most possible players are well identified anyway and the younger ones will be in NZSS selections at World Schools.
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@Crucial From the NZR side, I understand that, but what about Kiwis who like to watch these tournaments? And players, who aren't in that pathway, who just liked playing in these (regional & central) tournaments, repping their province?
Same with Jock Hobbs U19 tournament. Gone. I really think it's a loss.
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@Stargazer said in Invitational, provincial, local & school sevens tournaments:
@Crucial From the NZR side, I understand that, but what about Kiwis who like to watch these tournaments? And players, who aren't in that pathway, who just liked playing in these (regional & central) tournaments, repping their province?
Same with Jock Hobbs U19 tournament. Gone. I really think it's a loss.
Yeah it’s a loss. I was explaining how it is currently working, not condoning the loss of the previous set up.
I have no idea why the provincial sevens stuff hasn’t come back.
In the old days it used to be a weekend tournament with Titch on the sideline in his deckchair -
The Condor 7s are this weekend:
Open Senior Championship Sat 3 - Sun 4 December 2022
(Invitational) Senior Cup Mon 5 - Tue 6 December 2022It's not broadcast on Sky, but I'm reading in comments on Facebook that Sideline live are going to stream it. Nothing on their website or social media to suggest that this is true. Could still happen, but Sideline live isn't the same quality anymore since it changed hands about 2 years ago.
The draws are on the Condor 7s website:
Emerging sevens talent to be named in black
