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@gt12 Depending on what you want and how big you want, there are quite a few places that will make pre-fabricated houses and drop them on-site, as opposed to an old house that will then need a heap of renovations done on it.
We've got a place in Tauranga that we're currently renovating - it's close to town with a 250ish sqm side-yard. Too small to subdivide, but we're looking at a minor dwelling that we could rent or Air BnB. Because it's a minor dwelling it can only be 60sqm plus an 18 sqm garage, but there are some pretty decent contemporary options for quite a reasonable price. I think they do up to 140 sqm.
Ultimately if we do it, we'll end up having something architecturally designed (to fit with the aesthetic of our current place and to maximise what we can get within the boundaries. If we make it two-storey, it'll have great views from the second floor), plus the pre-fab ones don't really suit the section size (the living of all of them would stare directly at our house).
Not sure if it's strictly apples with apples given we're in Tauranga, but we're currently replacing the membrane roof on our house and putting a deck up there while we're at it, and it has been an awfully long process from start to where we are now - almost a year already and building hasn't started. Builders, engineers and architects everywhere are pretty much booked for the next six months, and the council is a pretty slow process too. If I were you, I'd get started sooner, rather than later.
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@gt12 said in Housing hornets' nest:
Cheers.
I'd probably use a company like the relocatable house co so I'd appreciate a PM with any companies who you'd suggest avoiding.
Should be able to get a geotech report soon and then sort out water, sewage etc.
If I have a year or so and my old man on site, it sounds doable at least.
Definitely doable. You are on track anyway with geotech, etc.
You rural? So all your own sewerage and water?
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Warlord's last comment is really true. Start now.
My place was supposed to arrive 14 Nov last year. I'm hoping early Oct 21 now. We added and changed things massively, but we will get the house that we want, along with pool, extra garage, etc.
It is also hard work project managing. An awful lot of people involved.
I think that relocatable homes are O.K. BTW.
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@snowy said in Housing hornets' nest:
@gt12 said in Housing hornets' nest:
Cheers.
I'd probably use a company like the relocatable house co so I'd appreciate a PM with any companies who you'd suggest avoiding.
Should be able to get a geotech report soon and then sort out water, sewage etc.
If I have a year or so and my old man on site, it sounds doable at least.
Definitely doable. You are on track anyway with geotech, etc.
You rural? So all your own sewerage and water?
If I commit to it, yeah we’ll be rural in a section split off my parents lifestyle block.
We’ll go back to NZ for one year to see how we like it, then come back here for medium term (5 years) or long term (will depend on how things go in NZ).
The plan is to have something serviceable there which we can live in for that year, then hopefully rent out when we are not.
My old man is very useful with his grader, so we’ll have a nice site, I imagine.
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@snowy Yip, we were promised building to start in May 2021, it's due to go to the council this month sometime, we're just hoping to have a new roof deck by Christmas now. Sounds like everyone is, probably quite justifiably, proritising big jobs, but now we're dealing with timber shortages and price increases through no fault of our own.
I don't mind the relocatables either, it just doesn't work in our current plan. But the upside over relocating an old house is that they come warm, dry, and up to healthy homes specs if ones plans change and they want to turn it into a rental property down the track.
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@snowy said in Housing hornets' nest:
@gt12 said in Housing hornets' nest:
@Snowy how long do you think it would take from flat land to having a relocatable moved on? I'm looking to come home in about 18 months time, and have some land with a building site - relatively flat. I'm guessing that moving a house on will be faster and cheaper, am I correct?
It can be done relatively quickly, and yes faster and cheaper (sort of, depends what you want and do to it).
Be careful of your access and roads. What those trailers can do is flat out amazing, but some places are more difficult than others.
Firstly finding a relocatable is difficult and some of the companies are dodgy. You need to get in fast and pay mostly up front - as my lawyer put it - a leap of faith.
You need to make sure that you have somewhere to keep it for a while because you need building consent just to put it on the property which includes all of the foundations and all the other shit that council want. It takes time. You will also want to change it to suit you, so delays with drafties / engineers before council start throwing spanners.
Once you have the consent, earthworks, poles, can happen fast - a few weeks. Usually want a new roof, (often have to take it off for transport, depending on clearance, bridges, etc) couple of weeks for roof but it will be covered. Tarps.
So the answer is yes, faster and cheaper, but with a shitload of variables. It is not for the faint hearted but neither is a new build.
The site is about 1km down a paved country two-lane road (all flat) that turns off from state highway three.
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@gt12 said in Housing hornets' nest:
@snowy said in Housing hornets' nest:
@gt12 said in Housing hornets' nest:
@Snowy how long do you think it would take from flat land to having a relocatable moved on? I'm looking to come home in about 18 months time, and have some land with a building site - relatively flat. I'm guessing that moving a house on will be faster and cheaper, am I correct?
It can be done relatively quickly, and yes faster and cheaper (sort of, depends what you want and do to it).
Be careful of your access and roads. What those trailers can do is flat out amazing, but some places are more difficult than others.
Firstly finding a relocatable is difficult and some of the companies are dodgy. You need to get in fast and pay mostly up front - as my lawyer put it - a leap of faith.
You need to make sure that you have somewhere to keep it for a while because you need building consent just to put it on the property which includes all of the foundations and all the other shit that council want. It takes time. You will also want to change it to suit you, so delays with drafties / engineers before council start throwing spanners.
Once you have the consent, earthworks, poles, can happen fast - a few weeks. Usually want a new roof, (often have to take it off for transport, depending on clearance, bridges, etc) couple of weeks for roof but it will be covered. Tarps.
So the answer is yes, faster and cheaper, but with a shitload of variables. It is not for the faint hearted but neither is a new build.
The site is about 1km down a paved country two-lane road (all flat) that turns off from state highway three.
Sounds easy - depending on where the house is...
Mine wasn't on a yard.
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@aucklandwarlord said in Housing hornets' nest:
But the upside over relocating an old house is that they come warm, dry, and up to healthy homes specs if ones plans change and they want to turn it into a rental property down the track.
Healthy homes thing is a pain, and some of it bit daft as a landlord but it isn't hard to achieve either. One of mine is fully insulated, ceiling walls, underfloor, HRV, heat pump, all the shit but the extractor fan above the stove wasn't good enough. So a rangehood. I don't really care but some of it is stupid.
I should add that my ideas about relocatables is a bit skewed as I own a home renovation company and have a team of tradies but it would still be easier under the current climate than getting materials and starting afresh I think.
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@snowy said in Housing hornets' nest:
@gt12 said in Housing hornets' nest:
@snowy said in Housing hornets' nest:
@gt12 said in Housing hornets' nest:
@Snowy how long do you think it would take from flat land to having a relocatable moved on? I'm looking to come home in about 18 months time, and have some land with a building site - relatively flat. I'm guessing that moving a house on will be faster and cheaper, am I correct?
It can be done relatively quickly, and yes faster and cheaper (sort of, depends what you want and do to it).
Be careful of your access and roads. What those trailers can do is flat out amazing, but some places are more difficult than others.
Firstly finding a relocatable is difficult and some of the companies are dodgy. You need to get in fast and pay mostly up front - as my lawyer put it - a leap of faith.
You need to make sure that you have somewhere to keep it for a while because you need building consent just to put it on the property which includes all of the foundations and all the other shit that council want. It takes time. You will also want to change it to suit you, so delays with drafties / engineers before council start throwing spanners.
Once you have the consent, earthworks, poles, can happen fast - a few weeks. Usually want a new roof, (often have to take it off for transport, depending on clearance, bridges, etc) couple of weeks for roof but it will be covered. Tarps.
So the answer is yes, faster and cheaper, but with a shitload of variables. It is not for the faint hearted but neither is a new build.
The site is about 1km down a paved country two-lane road (all flat) that turns off from state highway three.
Sounds easy - depending on where the house is...
Mine wasn't on a yard.
Yeah, I need to get some idea of what consents + sewerage, water, power, driveway are going to cost, then go from there. I'm really shocked at the cost of, well, everything.
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@gt12 It gets a bit scary. I can give you some clues from my own experiences.
Metal driveway? Flattish?
Sewerage. How much land you got? Enough for a decent dispersal field? You talking 3 bed?
Power and trenching is expensive but if you get that right the driveway drainage gets done at the same time.
Got power at the top of the drive? Or nearby? That costs a bit if you need your own "box". Had a friend go off grid because it was cheaper and better.
Water is easy. Tanks aren't cheap but your storage requirements will depend on how many teenage kids you will have there. Kidding, more about the roof and runoff and where you are for rainfall figures. Always have excess storage!
You have to do all of that for a new build anyway.
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Not sure if NZ housing discussion belongs in this thread.
Is it true that National is about to allow foreign landlords to buy NZ properties?
Do NZ'ers pay capital gain tax on the sale of properties outside of their first house?
Taiwan,
1st house gains up to roughly 200,000 NZD=no tax
Gains greater than that on 1st house = 20%if you sell your 2nd or further houses house within
2 years - cap gains tax = 45%
2-5 years = 35%
less than 10 years = 20%
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I should add, Taiwan's house prices have gone up a lot.
I am not sure what the solution is.We bought in Taiwan several years back, thank God, but a lot of my mates have been priced out.
On this issue, I would say I am rather left wing.
Housing is a need that shouldn't be an instrument of speculation.
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@Frank said in Housing hornets' nest:
Is it true that National is about to allow foreign landlords to buy NZ properties?
My understanding is: Singaporeans / Aussies can due to free trade agreements. It's been banned for a while now, with those exceptions (and others can apply via Overseas Investment Office - so a hassle, but possible).
National wanted to start allowing it as a means of raising extra tax, I think 15% on properties over $2M? Bad idea, of dubious legality because you can't tax on passport - might be able to wrangle it by doing it on residency, but Winston torpedoed it in coalition negotiations anyway cause he hates foreigners - and National were probably pretty happy to not have to implement it and have it proven that it didn't raise what they said it would (I'd wager).Do NZ'ers pay capital gain tax on the sale of properties outside of their first house?
Short answer no, and the preferential tax treatment encouraging people to use residential housing as an investment is a terrible blight on this country.
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Australia has a housing crisis and it's easy to point the finger at immigrants, primarily because of the record amounts arriving here, but also accurate. The problem is it's not just their fault, although housing all of them is clearly a key driver of the problem. Some people complain that it's because of negative gearing, but that's an ignorant argument, the real problem is the capital gains discount treatment and increasing population with decreasing ability to met the commensurate demand.
On that last point it occurred to me that the insistence on making children remain in school until they're 17/18 and go to university to get a useless degree (with associated debt) has resulted in less people doing trades. Less tradespeople, more work and we're confused as to how properties cost more? And then how our tax treatment encourages this unproductive speculation?
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