Law trials and changes
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@bones said in Law trials and changes:
@booboo said in Law trials and changes:
Yes my proposal is to allow the FK to be kicked to touch on the full (currently not allowed outside the
22).The ball can be kicked direct to touch. You just lose possession and the lineout is taken where you kicked it.
Semantics.
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@mikethesnow said in Law trials and changes:
@booboo said in Law trials and changes:
@bones said in Law trials and changes:
Just thinking about ways of avoiding the scrum reset
League here we come
Not at all. But when you've already had two or three resets, then do something illegal enough to warrant a free kick why have a situation where the team awarded the sanction gets minimal benefit?
Allow them to kick to the corner to set up a mail. Just like in league ...
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"I don't understand" - Nigel Owens slams stupid law trial being introduced by World Rugby - Ruck
Popular former referee Nigel Owens has made his feelings on the 20-minute red card law trial clear in his latest column for the Telegraph.
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@bones interesting, the headline got me, as I think the 20 minute rule is good, but he sees the problem is more with some of the red cards being issued under current rules.
Pretty much agree with everything he said in the article though.
“Well, my response would be that if a player is unlucky to be sent off, then he shouldn’t be sent off.
“Red cards should be for total acts of recklessness or thuggery – if you come running in from a distance with your arm by your side and your shoulder slams into the head or neck area of a defenceless player, for example. That is dangerous play.
“Whereas if someone is very unlucky – you tried to make a legal tackle but the timing was wrong, or you try to clear someone out but you slip at the last minute or the player moves – then that player should not be sent off, because there are mitigating factors which make the contact accidental.”
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@taniwharugby yeah I don't like the ruck site, but the article seemed worth a read for once (if you ignore the headline).
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@taniwharugby said in Law trials and changes:
@bones interesting, the headline got me, as I think the 20 minute rule is good, but he sees the problem is more with some of the red cards being issued under current rules.
Pretty much agree with everything he said in the article though.
“Well, my response would be that if a player is unlucky to be sent off, then he shouldn’t be sent off.
“Red cards should be for total acts of recklessness or thuggery – if you come running in from a distance with your arm by your side and your shoulder slams into the head or neck area of a defenceless player, for example. That is dangerous play.
“Whereas if someone is very unlucky – you tried to make a legal tackle but the timing was wrong, or you try to clear someone out but you slip at the last minute or the player moves – then that player should not be sent off, because there are mitigating factors which make the contact accidental.”
The problem IMO is that's not how it's being applied.
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@booboo said in Law trials and changes:
@bones said in Law trials and changes:
@booboo I thought the PK is at the ref's discretion after one or two FK? It can be kicked out on the full, do you mean the lineout should be taken where it went out? Quite like that.
I believe FK can escalate to PK for repeated infringements. But why wait?
Yes my proposal is to allow the FK to be kicked to touch on the full (currently not allowed outside the
22).My preference is for the team kicking to touch getting the throw. But if that is too much of a change then allow the FK to be kicked out in the full regardless of where it is awarded and let 5he oppo throw.
Just thinking about ways of avoiding the scrum reset
I think that is a good proposal.
I would go for the non kicking team throwing in so the remedy to the offence is essentially a free kick. Coincidentally that is the name of the restart already.
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World Rugby seeks to expand controversial 20-minute red card trial
World Rugby will consider introducing the 20-minute red card as a global law trial despite concerns it could diminish the deterrent effect.
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@damo said in Law trials and changes:
@booboo said in Law trials and changes:
@bones said in Law trials and changes:
@booboo I thought the PK is at the ref's discretion after one or two FK? It can be kicked out on the full, do you mean the lineout should be taken where it went out? Quite like that.
I believe FK can escalate to PK for repeated infringements. But why wait?
Yes my proposal is to allow the FK to be kicked to touch on the full (currently not allowed outside the
22).My preference is for the team kicking to touch getting the throw. But if that is too much of a change then allow the FK to be kicked out in the full regardless of where it is awarded and let 5he oppo throw.
Just thinking about ways of avoiding the scrum reset
I think that is a good proposal.
I would go for the non kicking team throwing in so the remedy to the offence is essentially a free kick. Coincidentally that is the name of the restart already.
Agreed. The benefit is the gain in territory and a contest for possession.
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I have come around on the "held up - goal line dropout" change.
Initially I thought it was too greater loss to the attacking side for being held up over the line.
However it has had the effect of reducing the amount of one off pick and goes and one passes close to the line. Attacking teams that do that run a greater risk of being held up than if they go a few passes wider. I think it makes for a better game.
The other advantage is more debatable. It's true we don't spend so much time on getting the game going again, but then we lose the battle of the scrums close to the tryline which could be a fascinating part of the game.
On balance I think they should keep the new rule for held ups.
Jury still out on kicks into the in-goal which are grounded. I think that has lead to more aimless kicking into in-goal.
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Another random thought.
I'm not a fan of the jump from outside the field of play, catch and land inside thing.
Looks wrong.
Especially since they changed the catch it when you're out law to mean that you took it out. Thought that didn't need changing.
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@booboo said in Law trials and changes:
Another random thought.
I'm not a fan of the jump from outside the field of play, catch and land inside thing.
Looks wrong.
Especially since they changed the catch it when you're out law to mean that you took it out. Thought that didn't need changing.
I think it is trying to introduce a skill element for entertainment tbh.
IMO a simple "crossing the plane unless caught by someone clearly inside field of play (i.e. feet on ground)" is far less confusing and gives kicker a little more leeway without having to boot the ball way into the stands. -
@booboo said in Law trials and changes:
Another random thought.
I'm not a fan of the jump from outside the field of play, catch and land inside thing.
Looks wrong.
Especially since they changed the catch it when you're out law to mean that you took it out. Thought that didn't need changing.
Me too.
I don't mind the idea, but I think it should be the opposite (as it is for a ball in play right now), so you can jump from the field of play, catch and throw the ball back in before you hit the ground, and it is play on. I don't see why in one situation you are allowed to start outsid ethe field of play as long as you end up inside it, but in another you must start inside in but can end up outside.
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Law query for the refs and nuffys.
Can you still use your feet on the ball in a ruck?
IE., if a ball is sitting loose can you hook in back (as long as you don't connect with opposition players)? -
@booboo said in Law trials and changes:
Law query for the refs and nuffys.
Can you still use your feet on the ball in a ruck?
IE., if a ball is sitting loose can you hook in back (as long as you don't connect with opposition players)?Yes, but only backwards.
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@antipodean said in Law trials and changes:
@booboo said in Law trials and changes:
Law query for the refs and nuffys.
Can you still use your feet on the ball in a ruck?
IE., if a ball is sitting loose can you hook in back (as long as you don't connect with opposition players)?Yes, but only backwards.
Cool.
I asked because I see so many chances for players to do that. Just to put their foot ahead of the ball and take it back. And just wonder why no-one does.
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@booboo said in Law trials and changes:
@antipodean said in Law trials and changes:
@booboo said in Law trials and changes:
Law query for the refs and nuffys.
Can you still use your feet on the ball in a ruck?
IE., if a ball is sitting loose can you hook in back (as long as you don't connect with opposition players)?Yes, but only backwards.
Cool.
I asked because I see so many chances for players to do that. Just to put their foot ahead of the ball and take it back. And just wonder why no-one does.
There seems to be a lot of confusion if the ball is actually out of the ruck also. Many times players stop and look at the ref and he says it is out, but that time is wasted. IMO the ref should make a loud call that the ball is out or available like they do with tackle release. Same goes when the 9 puts their hand on it, many offsides are caused by the 9 putting hands on but delaying the pass on purpose.
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Erasmus has a few suggestions
RASSIE ERASMUS: Joe Marler should be a specialist scrum ref
RASSIE ERASMUS - WORLD CUP WINNING COACH: Unless we can clear up some of the grey areas, rugby could be heading towards trouble. The game isn't allowed to flow any more.
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I like these new laws, a good starting point. For me water should be available at the sideline, help yourself whenever, but the game doesn't stop.
Era of 'Rassie the water boy' is over as World Rugby trial new law
The era of Erasmus running onto the Test pitch delivering water to his Springboks is over after World Rugby adopted to trial a new trial law.
