All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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@Unite said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Rod Kafer column: Nigel Owens was very poor and changed the course of the Test match
Seriously that's fucking embarrassing.
The All Blacks aren’t in control of what the media write, but they’ve got a close relationship with the New Zealand Herald.
There are stories in the Herald that are very closely linked to the All Blacks — but I’m not suggesting they had anything to do with that Michael Cheika clown cartoon.Translation: I won't say it outright, I'll just imply it.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@booboo Well of our last 3 losses, he's been in charge for 2, plus one other from a few years ago I think I've seen mentioned before. Not sure how many more times he's reffed us....
That's a reasonably high proportion then.
Would like to find a site where we could look at results v refs but not so good at the google thing (and it's too hard...)
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@booboo I just found another to add to the list from 2010 (plus another from Clancy).
So of our 3 losses since RWC 2011, Barnes x 2, Clancy x1. Slightly sporadic check prior to that found another from Barnes in 2010 and another from Clancy. One from Goddard, one from Joubert and one from Owens.
As you say it's pretty tough to check, I just used a combo of wikipedia fixtures list to see the results then to NZH fixtures to check the actual games - have at it!
Edit: as I think @gollum said, NZR website should have this info readily available, but is shit and just takes you to news stories for each match.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@booboo I just found another to add to the list from 2010 (plus another from Clancy).
So of our 3 losses since RWC 2011, Barnes x 2, Clancy x1. Slightly sporadic check prior to that found another from Barnes in 2010 and another from Clancy. One from Goddard, one from Joubert and one from Owens.
As you say it's pretty tough to check, I just used a combo of wikipedia fixtures list to see the results then to NZH fixtures to check the actual games - have at it!
Edit: as I think @gollum said, NZR website should have this info readily available, but is shit and just takes you to news stories for each match.
They do in the statsallblacks section: http://stats.allblacks.com/default.asp
Kafe has completely lost the plot with article, he's just doubling down on stupid. He's whining in one section that Read should be penalised for an action and then in the very next arguing that DHP shouldn't be. Bonkers.
"Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction."
I find it odd that the Aussies can watch that footage, yet not see DHP change his line and then push Savea.
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Sorry nick and barb, this isn't really aimed at you, you guys haven't gone full whinge (just sort of half)
But fuck this whinging, bleating and crying from the Australian rugby fraternity this year. They should be embarrassed.
My guess is it's born of frustration. This year was not supposed to go like this. The established narrative after the world cup was of a team on the rise. The all blacks were supposed to be going the other way.
Instead its been a horror year. Their super rugby teams were bent over and railed. They got whitewashed by the poms. They list in South Africa, and tried their hardest to lose the game in aus as well. We have given them a nearly unprecedented 3 game mauling. And along the way they've played some mind-numbingly poor rugby, compounded by some strange selecting.
And what have we heard from the rugby community in aus? Not even excuses, just bleating. This weekend had been the worst, fuck me "we didn't get awarded a tryyyyy. Waaaah" in a game you got gaped by 27, and with even an average international kicking performance it's more like 33.
Your media has lost the plot, your coach can't find answers, and all the focus is external. What happens if you win 2 from 5 on tour? Who are you going to blame then?
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Barnes refereed the 2011 Bledisloe in Brisbane and essentially shepereded in the winning try.
Which is missing from the list.
His inclination to get on camera and walk onto the field to speak with the referee as an assistant likely makes him widely disliked by his peers.
ESPN Scrum should allow you to filter by official or at least losses and go from there.
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One thing I noticed in the game was Owens not allowing the scrum competition. That series of scrums when the Aussies couldn't hook it due to pressure were great. Then Owen allowed Phipps to put the ball into the second row to try and get the game moving. If it happens again I reckon we need a rule change like mauls - use it or lose it. If you can't hook the ball the scrum is reset but the other team gets the put in.
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@Gary said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
One thing I noticed in the game was Owens not allowing the scrum competition. That series of scrums when the Aussies couldn't hook it due to pressure were great. Then Owen allowed Phipps to put the ball into the second row to try and get the game moving. If it happens again I reckon we need a rule change like mauls - use it or lose it. If you can't hook the ball the scrum is reset but the other team gets the put in.
No law change needed just better application.
Agree that Owens got bored. Phipps should have been pinged it was so obvious war he was going to do. -
I think if you brought in that rule it'd result in an unending string of engagement penalties, just a massive incentive suddenly - especially when a side have a defensive scrum near their line, to go a fraction early.
And you'd get a shit ton of free kicks from the 9 not putting it in.
I'd rather they just let the 2 scrums arm wrestle till either they hook it or one of the sets of props collapses from exhaustion
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Cheika I thought he was a character but blaming the bugging and the NZ Herald cartoon on the All Blacks when as far as I know they never blamed the bugging or the Richie grubs cartoons on the Wallabies showed not only Cheika is a complete whinger. but also that the opposition can get under his skin. I should have guessed he has a thin skin-Eddie Jones knew this all along.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Cheika I thought he was a character but blaming the bugging and the NZ Herald cartoon on the All Blacks when as far as I know they never blamed the bugging or the Richie grubs cartoons on the Wallabies showed not only Cheika is a complete whinger. but also that the opposition can get under his skin. I should have guessed he has a thin skin-Eddie Jones knew this all along.
Not one to hold a grudge ol' Cheika - the bugging thing hasn't been mentioned in how long?
Must come with the territory though as I'm pretty sure Hansen's post-match presser he was giving it to the Aussie media saying how the victory finally atoned for injustices of the 2003 sub hosting double cross.
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Cheika is no good for the Wallabies, he's just an angry individual which is no good for the team. Eddie played him like a bloody fish and took full advantage and he'll do it again. If you ask me, the captain and the coach need to be dropped for the Wallabies to progress. I think it's a forgone conclusion that the Wallabies will lose two on this northern tour.
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Just to add to this, but the Aussies have always performed best when they've had intelligent & astute coaches. Dwyer, McQueen and cough Jones spring to mind. I don't know what other coaches are out there but one who focuses on their own issues would be great start!
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@Unite said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Rod Kafer column: Nigel Owens was very poor and changed the course of the Test match
Source: FOX SPORTS
IN the heat of battle on Saturday night I said that Nigel Owens should never referee a Test again.
Well, on reflection, I think that Nigel should get the opportunity to referee again, because I’m sure he’d like to do a better job.
I do regret saying that, because he has been a great servant to the game, but I thought that his performance was very poor that night.
Australia has got a particularly poor record with Nigel as a referee and I didn’t think that All Blacks 37, Wallabies 10 was reflective of how close the game was.
Key moments in games can have a massive impact on the result and the Henry Speight no-try decision was a key moment.
MY SIDELINE EYE
I was sitting on the Eden Park 22m line for that incident and in the lead-up to that break, Kieran Read changed his line to block Dane Haylett-Petty.
Both Read and Julian Savea grab Haylett-Petty but the Kiwi crowd was incensed as the host broadcaster kept showing replays of the Haylett-Petty/Savea contact on the big screen.
They don’t go back two seconds before to show that it should have been advantage to Australia because Haylett-Petty was pulled back.
EVEN THE KIWIS THOUGHT IT STUNK
I went back and listened to the New Zealand commentary and had a beer with Justin Marshall afterwards — he was adamant that it was a try.
Their whole commentary team thought it was a try — they couldn’t believe the try was overturned.
Jonathan Kaplan came out, everyone believed it was a try — there was no chance Savea was going to make that tackle.
Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction.
NOT THE ONLY HOWLER
Making matters worse was the fact that a Savea try was allowed to stand after Scott Sio had his heels clipped by Aaron Cruden.
I thought both the Speight and Savea tries should have been awarded but where is the consistency?
Sio was in a position to pick that ball up but there were no replays at the ground and all of a sudden Cruden has kicked the conversion before the referee and TMO Shaun Veldsman can review it.
Cruden’s trip was accidental but he obstructed a player by changing his line and to a player who was going for the ball.
You can’t apply the law on one instance, when it suits the All Blacks and the local crowd, and not apply it in the same game, 10 minutes later for the other team.
MY TAKE ON CLOWN-GATE
The All Blacks aren’t in control of what the media write, but they’ve got a close relationship with the New Zealand Herald.
There are stories in the Herald that are very closely linked to the All Blacks — but I’m not suggesting they had anything to do with that Michael Cheika clown cartoon.
It’s a bit of foolish fun but I was also disappointed with the ‘Richetty Grub’ dig at Richie McCaw in Australian papers last year.
I don’t think that’s respectful to one of the great players of the game.
I’ve been a great supporter of McCaw’s over the years, he’s one of the greatest footballers I’ve ever had the privilege to watch.
This is an amazing All Blacks team but rugby probably doesn’t need this sideshow.
REASONS FOR HOPE
All of the drama has overshadowed what was a much improved performance by the Wallabies.
We had seven players with less than nine caps in our starting XV which is remarkably inexperienced.
They played with no fear and were in the contest, right up until the Speight no-try.
I know people will say we got beaten by 27 points — but moments like that in Test matches can change momentum.
This Wallabies team were very close.
We tested the All Blacks like they haven’t been tested for some time and that’s a really good sign.
I’ve got a lot of hope for the tour of Europe.
I don't see a whole lot wrong wtih that article? He apologises for something he said but stands by the claim that he and his NZ peers thought it was a try?
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He uses Justin Marshall to back up his view, so we know he's grasping at straws
....so what they did get wrong was it shoulda been a penalty to Aus, not us then, cos if they had an advantage you call it back when they then do something to lose the advantage.Funnily, if Julian had done a better job of holding DHP back, then he wouldn't of been in a position to push him, and as such Julian probably wouldn't have got Speight, try Aus!
