All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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Bit disingenuous from Kafer. When he had his on air meltdown he didn't mention or probably even know about the initial grab from Reid. He kept banging on about how you can do "anything you like" if you're behind the ball.
Interesting none of my mates here (who can be Wallaby boofheads at the best of times) had an issue with it. To them it was inconsequential when you get done by 27 points (including missed kicks and disallowed tries which would have blown the score out even more) and the likelihood of Aus defending that lead for 30 minutes was slim at best.
Personally I thought some of that forward play was pretty fookin impressive. Big munters eating up the yards and showing more heart than a million Coopers. The big question is whether they will have the gas to sustain it going forward. If they play like that up north I cant see anyone beating them.
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@Marty said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Jesus, the way you're banging on you'd think we were getting hammered and severely under the cosh. But the abs were farking leading at half time and if BB had had his kicking boots on the buffer would have been rather healthy. So you have a team that has scored 3 tries to 1 and is leading at the break and you reckon that's a poor reflection on the flyhalf, who has had little ball to work with?
I'm sure BB would have become much more involved as the game wore on, but it's absurd to criticise him for a first half performance when the abs scored 3 tries with 35% possession. But I'm sure if he put his head down and took the ball to the line those stats would look so much better and the forwards would start winning the collisions and making tackles.
No, I said I didn't think Barrett's general play was as influential as it has been previously and it might be an insight into his ability to take control of a game where his forwards are getting beaten. Then I pointed out that other first fives in history have been able to do that in similar situations and that probably comes with experience.
For the 1,000th time, what was he supposed to have done any differently in the time he was on the park and given the lack of possession? When have other first fives in the history of the game altered the tactics and game plan in the first half to "take control" of a game?
Your one and only suggestion was that he take on the line. With all due respect, that's pretty weak.
Had he stayed on the park he may well have ended up scoring a hat trick. But we'll never know because he was replaced so early.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
It was pretty to watch
I was told twice today that you can only obstruct defenders from in front of the ball player.because that was the half arsed uninformed billshit that Kafer spewed in his commentary.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Now that is what people should be up in arms about. Not the decision itself.
Yeah. Like that guy wrote in the blog post over on GAGR about TMO Protocols, the influence of the home broadcaster, and whether it could all use a little tweaking to ensure situations like this and the RWC2015 England / Fiji thing are properly scrutinised.
@canefan said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Rapido right, so at least it was instigated by the TMO and not Owens
Yes. Though its worth noting that if Owens - or either of the Touch Judges - saw it on the big screen before the conversion, he could have asked for a review.
Fuck GAGR and that willis Pfitzy ...
But without having read what I'm sure is a bullshit article shouldn't the TMO check replays anyway regardless of the homeground producer? TMO sees something it's checked regardless of conversion timing. Just hold the restart until TMO has checked?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
what was he supposed to have done any differently in the time he was on the park and given the lack of possession? When have other first fives in the history of the game altered the tactics and game plan in the first half to "take control" of a game?I can't recall too many 10's who see the big picture in the game, more ofdten they get it explained to them at halftime. I think Barret got yanked because of his goal kicking not his control of the game.
You could see 2nd half that Cruden had either been able to see more from the sideline or had been told by the coaches to deal with the very fast rush D the Wallabies were playing (hence them getting pinged offside a bit) and one of his first actions was to dink a chip kick in. Thats pretty much text book for what to do if a side are rushing you.
I'm pretty sure he only did it once tho' & Charlie & Crocket galloping onto the ball close in probably had more tactical effect. Adding 230kg of ball carrying helped us push the gainline far more.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Oh boo fucken hoo.
Perhaps if the Wallabies have got a very poor record under the best referee in the world, they should take a bit of a look at how they play the game, rather than moan about the ref? On the other hand, our poor record under Barnes is because he's obviously an asshat.
Define "poor" re Barnesy? How many have we lost compared to won?
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@Unite said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Rod Kafer column: Nigel Owens was very poor and changed the course of the Test match
Seriously that's fucking embarrassing.
The All Blacks aren’t in control of what the media write, but they’ve got a close relationship with the New Zealand Herald.
There are stories in the Herald that are very closely linked to the All Blacks — but I’m not suggesting they had anything to do with that Michael Cheika clown cartoon.Translation: I won't say it outright, I'll just imply it.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@booboo Well of our last 3 losses, he's been in charge for 2, plus one other from a few years ago I think I've seen mentioned before. Not sure how many more times he's reffed us....
That's a reasonably high proportion then.
Would like to find a site where we could look at results v refs but not so good at the google thing (and it's too hard...)
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@booboo I just found another to add to the list from 2010 (plus another from Clancy).
So of our 3 losses since RWC 2011, Barnes x 2, Clancy x1. Slightly sporadic check prior to that found another from Barnes in 2010 and another from Clancy. One from Goddard, one from Joubert and one from Owens.
As you say it's pretty tough to check, I just used a combo of wikipedia fixtures list to see the results then to NZH fixtures to check the actual games - have at it!
Edit: as I think @gollum said, NZR website should have this info readily available, but is shit and just takes you to news stories for each match.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@booboo I just found another to add to the list from 2010 (plus another from Clancy).
So of our 3 losses since RWC 2011, Barnes x 2, Clancy x1. Slightly sporadic check prior to that found another from Barnes in 2010 and another from Clancy. One from Goddard, one from Joubert and one from Owens.
As you say it's pretty tough to check, I just used a combo of wikipedia fixtures list to see the results then to NZH fixtures to check the actual games - have at it!
Edit: as I think @gollum said, NZR website should have this info readily available, but is shit and just takes you to news stories for each match.
They do in the statsallblacks section: http://stats.allblacks.com/default.asp
Kafe has completely lost the plot with article, he's just doubling down on stupid. He's whining in one section that Read should be penalised for an action and then in the very next arguing that DHP shouldn't be. Bonkers.
"Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction."
I find it odd that the Aussies can watch that footage, yet not see DHP change his line and then push Savea.
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Sorry nick and barb, this isn't really aimed at you, you guys haven't gone full whinge (just sort of half)
But fuck this whinging, bleating and crying from the Australian rugby fraternity this year. They should be embarrassed.
My guess is it's born of frustration. This year was not supposed to go like this. The established narrative after the world cup was of a team on the rise. The all blacks were supposed to be going the other way.
Instead its been a horror year. Their super rugby teams were bent over and railed. They got whitewashed by the poms. They list in South Africa, and tried their hardest to lose the game in aus as well. We have given them a nearly unprecedented 3 game mauling. And along the way they've played some mind-numbingly poor rugby, compounded by some strange selecting.
And what have we heard from the rugby community in aus? Not even excuses, just bleating. This weekend had been the worst, fuck me "we didn't get awarded a tryyyyy. Waaaah" in a game you got gaped by 27, and with even an average international kicking performance it's more like 33.
Your media has lost the plot, your coach can't find answers, and all the focus is external. What happens if you win 2 from 5 on tour? Who are you going to blame then?
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Barnes refereed the 2011 Bledisloe in Brisbane and essentially shepereded in the winning try.
Which is missing from the list.
His inclination to get on camera and walk onto the field to speak with the referee as an assistant likely makes him widely disliked by his peers.
ESPN Scrum should allow you to filter by official or at least losses and go from there.
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One thing I noticed in the game was Owens not allowing the scrum competition. That series of scrums when the Aussies couldn't hook it due to pressure were great. Then Owen allowed Phipps to put the ball into the second row to try and get the game moving. If it happens again I reckon we need a rule change like mauls - use it or lose it. If you can't hook the ball the scrum is reset but the other team gets the put in.
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@Gary said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
One thing I noticed in the game was Owens not allowing the scrum competition. That series of scrums when the Aussies couldn't hook it due to pressure were great. Then Owen allowed Phipps to put the ball into the second row to try and get the game moving. If it happens again I reckon we need a rule change like mauls - use it or lose it. If you can't hook the ball the scrum is reset but the other team gets the put in.
No law change needed just better application.
Agree that Owens got bored. Phipps should have been pinged it was so obvious war he was going to do.
