Turkish Coup
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<p>A german comedian was prosecute by the pathetic german govt for mocking the Turkish leader and a British magazine sponsored a competition for the best poem mocking Erdogan the Turkish pres. Erdogan is a piece of human garbage and deserves to be at the very least openly mocked.</p>
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<p>the winner was the new British foreign secretary Boris Johnson with this</p>
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<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:20px;font-style:italic;font-family:Times, 'Times New Roman', serif;">There was a young fellow from Ankara</p>
<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:20px;font-style:italic;font-family:Times, 'Times New Roman', serif;">Who was a terrific wankerer</p>
<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:20px;font-style:italic;font-family:Times, 'Times New Roman', serif;">Till he sowed his wild oats</p>
<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:20px;font-style:italic;font-family:Times, 'Times New Roman', serif;">With the help of a goat</p>
<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:20px;font-style:italic;font-family:Times, 'Times New Roman', serif;">But he didn’t even stop to thankera.</p> -
In just a matter of hours 200 dead and more than a 1000 injured. <br><br>
Social media was shut down and apparently there were claims of internet speeds being slowed down! <br><br>
Where to from here for the basket case that is Turkey? I fear that because the coup was thwarted, Erdogan will feel emboldened. He's driven by power and has been trying to enhance the executive powers of the President since he got elected 2 years ago. -
<p>This is quite good,<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/15/turkey-coup-attempt-military-gunfire-ankara'>https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/15/turkey-coup-attempt-military-gunfire-ankara</a></p>
<p>The people who took to the streets weren't necessarily supporting the goat molester but rather democracy.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="597412" data-time="1468705039"><p>This is quite good,<a class="bbc_url" href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/15/turkey-coup-attempt-military-gunfire-ankara">https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/15/turkey-coup-attempt-military-gunfire-ankara</a><br>
The people who took to the streets weren't necessarily supporting the goat molester but rather democracy.</p></blockquote>
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r.“The most valuable outcome of last night’s events is that many people who are not AKP supporters stood up for democratic values despite the recent crackdowns on the opposition, and despite the tension and the polarisation of the country.â€<br><br>
However, not everyone shared his optimism. “Everyone spoke out against the coup last night and that gave me hope,†said an academic who wished to remain anonymous. “But watching events unfold today this hope has shrunk quickly. Last night there was the possibility that the government would use this to return to a more unifying language, to return to the peace talks, to unite the country. But today it looks like they will use [the coup attempt] simply to consolidate power.â€<br><br>
The academic said that the trauma of past military interventions, and not sympathy for the government, drove people to oppose Friday night’s bloody coup attempt.<br><br>
“These people do not support Erdoğan, but they oppose the idea of a military coup. Turkey has a history of very painful, traumatic military interventions, so I was not surprised to see such united opposition to this attempt.†-
Yeah was reading about him yesterday - Erdogan looks like a bit of a paranoid cock bag to be panicking over that. But you can see why they don't get on...<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gülen_movement">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gülen_movement</a><br><br><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><p>After the 2013 corruption investigations in Turkey into alleged corrupt practices by several bureaucrats, ministers, mayors, and family members of the rulingJustice and Development Party (AKP) of Turkey was uncovered,[5][6] PresidentRecep Tayyip ErdoÄŸan blamed the Movement for initiating[7] the investigations as a result of a break in previously friendly relations.[8]</p></blockquote>
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Turkey had Islam in it government in recent decades, which wasn't popular. <br><br><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><p>
The movement has been characterized as a "moderate blend of Islam."[12][13]Gülen and the Gülen movement are technology-friendly, work within current market and commerce structures, and are savvy users of modern communications public relations."[14] Within Turkey the Gülen movement keeps its distance from established Islamic political parties.[15]<br><br>
Sources state that the Gülen movement is vying to be recognized as the world's leading Muslim network, one that is more reasonable than many of its rivals.[16]The movement builds on the activities of Fethullah Gülen, who has won praise from non-Muslim quarters for his advocacy of science, interfaith dialogue, and multi-party democracy. It has earned praise as "the world's most global movement."[17]<br><br>
The exact number of supporters of the Gülen movement is not known as the movement has no official membership rolls; estimates vary from 1 million to 8 million.[18][19][20] The membership of the movement consists primarily of students, teachers, businessmen, academicians, journalists and other professionals.[3] Its members have founded schools, universities, an employers' association, charities, real estate trusts, student organizations, radio and television stations, and newspapers.[19]<br><br>
The movement's structure has been described as a flexible organizational network.[21] Movement schools and businesses organize locally and link themselves into informal networks.[22] The Gülen movement works within the given structures of modern secular states; it encourages affiliated members to maximize the opportunities those countries afford rather than engaging in subversive activities.[23]<br><br>
Critics have complained that members of the Gulen movement are overly compliant to the directions from its leaders.[24] The movement has been accused of being "missionary" in intent, organizing in clandestine ways, or aiming for political power.[25]<br><br></p></blockquote> -
<p>hard to know exactly what is going on there. erdogan appears to be horribly guilty of abusing the democratic process with his media manipulation. e.g. his government given a shitload of tv coverage during elections, opposition none - and his attempts to pass laws to expand the powers of his own position. there is widespread concern in turkey that he has been eroding secularism.</p>
<p>this coup will no doubt be used by him to expand his powers further and remove as much opposition as possible. thousands of judges detained? christ surely we only have a couple of hundred in total in new zealand. madness.</p> -
<p>Looks like the Gulen movement is heavily into the police force.<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/09/turkish-police-fethullah-gulen-network'>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/09/turkish-police-fethullah-gulen-network</a></p>
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<p>Pity it was unsuccessful.</p>
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<p>Also - someone inside the military is now saying it was a setup by Erdogan to achieve just this purpose: get rid of resistance, rip through the ranks, and send a message to anyone else thinking he's not The Man.</p>
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<p>Sounds a bit like Joe Stalin, no? :)</p> -
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<p>Well bang (sic) goes turkeys chances of EU membership. Totally agree baron so many potential ramifications</p>
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<p>They had no chance anyway due to many factors, the not least of which is their position on Cyprus.</p> -
<p>you might not agree with his position, but there's a lot of information in this article</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/middle_east/turkey-failed-coup-real-or-fake/'>https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/middle_east/turkey-failed-coup-real-or-fake/</a></p> -
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<p>you might not agree with his position, but there's a lot of information in this article</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/middle_east/turkey-failed-coup-real-or-fake/'>https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/middle_east/turkey-failed-coup-real-or-fake/</a></p>
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<p style="margin-left:40px;"><em>In the case of Turkey, this particular failed coup was either orchestrated to fail as a means to solidify ultimate power or we are witnessing the coming clash between Islamic and freedom of region rule in Turkey. That ultimate confrontation is due in 2023 (two 51.6-year cycles from 1920).</em></p>
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<p>Whether the coup was fake is immaterial given it failed. The end result is the same with Endrogan solidifying power. Most pretence at a democracy has disappeared. Given the geo-political pressures of the last 50 years, it was inevitable that Turkey would be the litmus paper for a large Muslim population maintaining a secular rule. That's why they needed to be included in the EU - raise the standard of living.</p>