Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****
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Hard to disagree with this
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his biases undermine any good points he makes...couldn't finish watching, just come across too bitter to be taken seriously
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
i actually remember thinking the sequels were going to be able hunting down luke, with all the talk of a map and shit, like we wouldn't actually see him until the third film and he'd come back all OP and help them win it....nope, find him straight away
That would have been infinitely better than the shit we were served up. Just the pure lack of originality and ideas was terrible, not to mention the mistreatment of beloved characters. I was hope that the originals would kind of hang in the background watching over the new characters, but intervene and unleash some cool shit if called upon to do so. Instead they made Han a fůcking smuggler again and then had his weird-looking son kill him. And the less said about Luke the better. What a disaster. Without the Mandalorian they'd been even more fůcked.
Just on Lucasfilm, they've probably already pumped stupid money into the latest Indy film, but fark me they're crazy if they don't get SR involved somehow.
I watched Kingdom of the Crystal Skull with the boys recently.
My revised opinion is it’s DEFINITELY at the bottom of the pile ( although to be fair the original trilogy movies are varying degrees of absolutely brilliant so that was a given )
It had some cool actions scenes however the Mutt character ( thankfully not in the latest one ) was absolutely ghastly. ( how is that guy a star, he is SUCH a cock ) and the “I’m too old for this” schtick from 66 year old Harrison Ford grew a bit tiresome.
How this is going to be at age 80 ( Ford is 81 this year ) doesn’t bear thinking about. I think this movie will be terrible ( but I’ll still take the boys to see it )
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Hard to disagree with this
SOME of what this guy says is very accurate, but it is very over cynical.
I’m still loving Mando, the Obi Wan show was good.
Excellent point about the ridiculously strong female characters though. Mando was literally the only bloke when they stormed Gideons ship ( I guess they kept Boba away cos the writers couldn’t think of an appropriate reaction to him meeting Luke for the first time since the Sarlacc Pit fight ), Fennic what’s her name did ALL the heavy lifting in the Boba Fett show, Cara Dune kicked arse before she got cancelled and now Bo Katan is doing exactly the same. You know the Armourer chick will be an awesome fighter and Ashoka Tano dominated every scrap she was in.
….and that’s not even going into Reys ridiculous force powers with no training, I bet she wouldn’t get her her arse handed to her by a single Tuskan Raider like Luke did in ANH.
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the "strong female character" shit is just stupid, critiquing rey for learning her force powers too easily.....fair, thats poor story telling
all the other ones that list being a strong female character as the negative is just stupid, mando was the only dude?....so? we also get luke come to save the day so plenty of string men too.... there is like three named female characters in the original trilogy...sometime there will be more men than women and sometimes there will be more women than men
I just dont get whats inherently wrong with kick arse female characters, ashoka, cara dune and bo katan and fennic shand had all been pretty well developed i thought, maybe due to seeing three of them in the animated series so they had more back story
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if mando had thought Grogu properly
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@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
his biases undermine any good points he makes...couldn't finish watching, just come across too bitter to be taken seriously
What did he say was wrong?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel as i said, i didn't finish it, but as soon as your saying just having a strong female character is a bad thing then im out
as @MN5 points out Rey being OP without training, a valid critique of the actual character, the others he seems to dislike just because theyre women that kick arse, i mean Gina carano could kick all of our arses so i easily believe her charater, the other three have long back stories explaining how they got where they are and appear in shows that have several strong male characters (mando, Boba, Luke, the Marshal, greef...pretty much all the other Mandalorians other than the armour and bo)
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@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel as i said, i didn't finish it, but as soon as your saying just having a strong female character is a bad thing then im out
as @MN5 points out Rey being OP without training, a valid critique of the actual character, the others he seems to dislike just because theyre women that kick arse, i mean Gina carano could kick all of our arses so i easily believe her charater, the other three have long back stories explaining how they got where they are and appear in shows that have several strong male characters (mando, Boba, Luke, the Marshal, greef...pretty much all the other Mandalorians other than the armour and bo)
C'mon he never said that. I think you'll find it was a tad more nuanced than simple misogyny. The issue isn't female characters but GOOD and properly developed female characters. Cara Dune and Fennic are very popular. So is Leia for that matter. But many of them are crap. Rey, Reeva, Holdo, Rose for starters. There's this notion that nerddom hate female characters, which is odd when it's these same awful misogynists that idolise and created the fandom around characters like Lara Croft, Ripley, Buffy, Xena, Sara Connor etc.
But that is a distraction. Ultimately the franchise is in trouble and that's all self-inflicted.
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Hard to disagree with this
SOME of what this guy says is very accurate, but it is very over cynical.
I’m still loving Mando, the Obi Wan show was good.
Excellent point about the ridiculously strong female characters though. Mando was literally the only bloke when they stormed Gideons ship ( I guess they kept Boba away cos the writers couldn’t think of an appropriate reaction to him meeting Luke for the first time since the Sarlacc Pit fight ), Fennic what’s her name did ALL the heavy lifting in the Boba Fett show, Cara Dune kicked arse before she got cancelled and now Bo Katan is doing exactly the same. You know the Armourer chick will be an awesome fighter and Ashoka Tano dominated every scrap she was in.
….and that’s not even going into Reys ridiculous force powers with no training, I bet she wouldn’t get her her arse handed to her by a single Tuskan Raider like Luke did in ANH.
Having Grogu go back to Mando was pretty shit though. I understand why 💰 but that entire scene is now pointless. Kenobi had some cool scenes but it made no sense. Apparently getting run through with a lightsaber doesn't kill you anymore. That Inquisitor plot line was bizarre. He just reappears.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel i guess the question is then, if its not misogyny, if he doesnt have a problem with these characters being female...then why mention it? when he talks about bo having to save him twice...why not just leave it with "our previously super experienced and skilled Mando has had to be saved twice in the first few episodes, they seem to be shifting focus to another character which i dont like"...labouring the "strong female character" line definitely makes it sound like that is at least part of his problem
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@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel i guess the question is then, if its not misogyny, if he doesnt have a problem with these characters being female...then why mention it? when he talks about bo having to save him twice...why not just leave it with "our previously super experienced and skilled Mando has had to be saved twice in the first few episodes, they seem to be shifting focus to another character which i dont like"...labouring the "strong female character" line definitely makes it sound like that is at least part of his problem
See MN5's very good explanation above. Surely it's possible to make that argument without simply hating women? The whole point is that they are definitely going very very hard on the whole "strong female hero" thing and to the extent where it's becoming something of a meme. Just check out the latest reincarnation of He-Man. Spoiler: they literally kill He-man in the first episode and the entire series is the adventures of Teela.
But again, that's a distraction because his point about where the franchise currently stands is completely spot on.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel you definitely can make the argument, see the comments about Rey (force user with no training, fighting kylo with no training), but the critique of lots of other seems to boil down to them just being women who kick arse and that not being believable or people just not liking seeing it...like the only think he mentions as for why he doesn;t like them...is theyre women
and re it being over done, we've had god know how many years of unbelievably male centric cinema....im sure we can survive if they swing it a little too far the other way
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@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel you definitely can make the argument, see the comments about Rey (force user with no training, fighting kylo with no training), but the critique of lots of other seems to boil down to them just being women who kick arse and that not being believable or people just not liking seeing it...like the only think he mentions as for why he doesn;t like them...is theyre women
and re it being over done, we've had god know how many years of unbelievably male centric cinema....im sure we can survive if they swing it a little too far the other way
I never said that.
More a case of a good male fighter is always better than a good female fighter. These latest strong females seem ridiculously overpowered. To be fair not only confined to the girls though, the scene where Mando, Fett and Fennic wasted about 40 Storm Troopers without a scratch on any of them was a bit stupid. It was real Keystone Cops from the men in white.
it’s not like SW hasn’t had strong females in the past either, Leia and Padme certainly spring to mind.
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but they do give good, imo, explanations (unlike rey), cara is litterally built like a brick shit house, Bo has been born and raised to be the leader of a military culture, fennic is an assassin, shes not generally swinging a club around, she snips with a gun most often and dones some acrobatic shit...there is still far more male character that kick arse over all in Star wars to each their own so is it just that we see them all in the same series?...too any women?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel you definitely can make the argument, see the comments about Rey (force user with no training, fighting kylo with no training), but the critique of lots of other seems to boil down to them just being women who kick arse and that not being believable or people just not liking seeing it...like the only think he mentions as for why he doesn;t like them...is theyre women
and re it being over done, we've had god know how many years of unbelievably male centric cinema....im sure we can survive if they swing it a little too far the other way
I find comments like this really strange. Women and girls have had plenty of films, TV, entertainment etc that cater exclusively to them. Ever heard of chick flicks? You think Sex and the City or umpteen other series or films were going after the male demographic? I had a "step daughter" for 3 years and, if anything, she had too much choice. So I'm not really sure why any swing was required, and definitely not too far in one direction. There's plenty of room for everyone. Existing properties don't need to be drastically changed for that.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
but they do give good, imo, explanations (unlike rey), cara is litterally built like a brick shit house, Bo has been born and raised to be the leader of a military culture, fennic is an assassin, shes not generally swinging a club around, she snips with a gun most often and dones some acrobatic shit...there is still far more male character that kick arse over all in Star wars to each their own so is it just that we see them all in the same series?...too any women?
Fair enough. I did re edit my original post.
To further add to your post Ashoka is an extremely powerful Jedi Knight.
Maybe the girls are just bearing the brunt of my criticism of the new series. Han, Luke, Leia etc struggled to put away troopers much more than these guys do.
Han got decked by a Scout Trooper and Luke and Leia really struggled to catch the others. They only escaped the Death Star cos Moff Tarkin ordered it.
In the latest movies, series etc though they’re a joke. Any less than 20 of them is basically target practice.
Their combat instructors need to be fired for this inept training
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel you definitely can make the argument, see the comments about Rey (force user with no training, fighting kylo with no training), but the critique of lots of other seems to boil down to them just being women who kick arse and that not being believable or people just not liking seeing it...like the only think he mentions as for why he doesn;t like them...is theyre women
and re it being over done, we've had god know how many years of unbelievably male centric cinema....im sure we can survive if they swing it a little too far the other way
I find comments like this really strange. Women and girls have had plenty of films, TV, entertainment etc that cater exclusively to them. Ever heard of chick flicks? You think Sex and the City or umpteen other series or films were going after the male demographic? I had a "step daughter" for 3 years and, if anything, she had too much choice. So I'm not really sure why any swing was required, and definitely not too far in one direction. There's plenty of room for everyone. Existing properties don't need to be drastically changed for that.
you know not all women are the same aye, they don't all like chick flicks, lot probably really enjoy seeing women kick arse on screen, have you heard of the Bechdel Test? it shocking how many movies cant even manage to have two women talk to each other about something other than a man, the sequels actually pass the test but hang heavily on Rey and Leia talking to each other, I mean all three trilogies have two male leads and one female
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@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel you definitely can make the argument, see the comments about Rey (force user with no training, fighting kylo with no training), but the critique of lots of other seems to boil down to them just being women who kick arse and that not being believable or people just not liking seeing it...like the only think he mentions as for why he doesn;t like them...is theyre women
and re it being over done, we've had god know how many years of unbelievably male centric cinema....im sure we can survive if they swing it a little too far the other way
I find comments like this really strange. Women and girls have had plenty of films, TV, entertainment etc that cater exclusively to them. Ever heard of chick flicks? You think Sex and the City or umpteen other series or films were going after the male demographic? I had a "step daughter" for 3 years and, if anything, she had too much choice. So I'm not really sure why any swing was required, and definitely not too far in one direction. There's plenty of room for everyone. Existing properties don't need to be drastically changed for that.
you know not all women are the same aye, they don't all like chick flicks, lot probably really enjoy seeing women kick arse on screen, have you heard of the Bechdel Test? it shocking how many movies cant even manage to have two women talk to each other about something other than a man, the sequels actually pass the test but hang heavily on Rey and Leia talking to each other, I mean all three trilogies have two male leads and one female
Well in this case it’s hard to get a word in with Finn running round screaming for Rey every five minutes.
