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@nostrildamus I did say he 'may have'
I know buggar all about him, I never voted for him...
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@nostrildamus I did say he 'may have'
I know buggar all about him, I never voted for him...
Yes, sorry, I meant, I genuinely wasn't sure what his great strengths were and would like to know, I saw some campaign material and online interviews but didn't learn very much.
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@nostrildamus said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat he certainly seems to need some media training, 1 he may have some great strengths, but 2 communicating, particularly with media doesnt seem one of them
Interview this morning with newshub...yikes.
1 "great strengths"? I don't know what they are?
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Its pretty obvious that s/he's untalented and has tried to become famous through being controversial. Stuff fell for it and this will be the first in a series of articles. The next will be her saying s/he feels "unsafe " due to the white supremacist backlash then they'll go after the people saying this shouldn't be tax payer funded.
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@paremata said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Its pretty obvious that s/he's untalented and has tried to become famous through being controversial. Stuff fell for it and this will be the first in a series of articles. The next will be her saying s/he feels "unsafe " due to the white supremacist backlash then they'll go after the people saying this shouldn't be tax payer funded.
What the hell is an Ockham award ?
I feel stupid and offended for clicking on this race baiting shit. I thought even stuff was better than this.
There’s absolutely zero talent on display whatsoever.
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@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@paremata said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Its pretty obvious that s/he's untalented and has tried to become famous through being controversial. Stuff fell for it and this will be the first in a series of articles. The next will be her saying s/he feels "unsafe " due to the white supremacist backlash then they'll go after the people saying this shouldn't be tax payer funded.
What the hell is an Ockham award ?
I feel stupid and offended for clicking on this race baiting shit. I thought even stuff was better than this.
Why? Stuff seems to be populated by middle class woke women who think everyone else is as secretly racist as they are and project their understandable self loathing onto their dwindling number of readers. Michelle Duff wrote this and she epitomises pretty much everything wrong with Stuff . The review of her apparently nauseating book about Ardern is gold.
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@paremata said in NZ Politics:
@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@paremata said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Its pretty obvious that s/he's untalented and has tried to become famous through being controversial. Stuff fell for it and this will be the first in a series of articles. The next will be her saying s/he feels "unsafe " due to the white supremacist backlash then they'll go after the people saying this shouldn't be tax payer funded.
What the hell is an Ockham award ?
I feel stupid and offended for clicking on this race baiting shit. I thought even stuff was better than this.
Why? Stuff seems to be populated by middle class woke women who think everyone else is as secretly racist as they are and project their understandable self loathing onto their dwindling number of readers. Michelle Duff wrote this and she epitomises pretty much everything wrong with Stuff . The review of her apparently nauseating book about Ardern is gold.
Sorry pal, still a bit aghast at the first thing you shared.
I love the irony of them not censoring this yet I bet they’re all for the censoring of Roald Dahls books which seem to be all the rage nowadays.
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This is funny, Apparently when comrade Davidson said her comment about white men she actually didn't mean white men
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The first paragraph sums this shit up:
"Opposition leader Christopher Luxon is calling for Marama Davidson to apologise to people who were offended by comments she made about white males being the perpetrators of violence in a video filmed by a far-right blogger."
Apologise for the comments. They were wrong and offensive in general. She should be sacked immediately.
And trying to diminish their importance because of who did the recording. The comments were unedited, and in context.
Luton needs to grow some.
Mind you Davidson probably has a right to fear his inclination to violence. He's a cis white male.
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This is staggering:
“ “I was confronted by a representative from the far-right and conspiracy theory website Counterspin who was filming me walking down the road before accosting me with inflammatory questions,” she said in a statement.”
Does she realise the fucking video is on the internet and we have all seen it?
Accosted???
Inflammatory questions???
She was loving every single second of her little rant, the journo barely got a word in
Fucking unbelievable
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@voodoo Well you see she was still recovering from almost being run over by a motorcycle (while she posed for a selfie in the middle of a pedestrian crossing) hence she was flustered and confused as she made her comments.
However that occurred 3 hours after the video...
You see so great was her PTSD that it travelled backwards in time to afflict her.
P.s. Luxton is also weak as piss and rapidly loosing his support base as simply being seen as the slightly blue version of the same government that's already in power.
National will stumble over the line propped up by ACT and NZ first, should they even get enough votes to overcome the labor/greens.
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This is a golden opportunity for Luxon to go on the attack against a racist/sexist ideology that the Greens and to a lesser extent the Labour are standard bearers for.
But he won't because he lacks political courage and quite frankly the skill to do so.
NZ is badly in need in of someone with political courage to represent the vast majority of NZ'ers who dislike the twisted shit that people like Marama Davidson and certain sections of the media believe.
How pathetic NZ has become.
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Below, is not to have a go at you/anybody, but I think questions on the back of it are a decent discussion opener.
@Frank said in NZ Politics:
This is a golden opportunity for Luxon to go on the attack against a racist/sexist ideology that the Greens and to a lesser extent the Labour are standard bearers for.
The ideology is a global one, for which NZ is merely a player in. Most of it stems out of the US (like a lot of bullshit) and instead of focusing on the NZ part, should just realise that you've been sucked into the vortex. However, a clear difference is that there doesn't seem to be an MSM clearly calling it like it is. This is worrying. I mentioned it on another thread, but the portrayal of the tomato juice thrower as some sort of hero just shows that unlike a lot of other countries, the general media is on the side of the woke.
People rightly criticise Fox, Daily Mail etc etc. But for all the bullshit, they do hold a vital cog in a democratic nation.
But he won't because he lacks political courage and quite frankly the skill to do so.
I don't know Luxon overly well, but I suspect he is scared of pushing too hard on it, as the repercussions (with him being Davidson's critique). You have the same here in the UK (in the opposite political direction) in that the leader of the opposition is being quite weak, as they have a decent lead in the polls and are really only focused on winning the next election.
NZ is badly in need in of someone with political courage to represent the vast majority of NZ'ers who dislike the twisted shit that people like Marama Davidson and certain sections of the media believe.
Right, so here's the question. The fern is kind of like twitter, in that I don't think it really represents the general population. IT's not unfair to say that posters who hold political views against TSF consensus tend to either disappear, or refuse to read, let alone post in the Politics section.
Where is NZ really on the woke scale, as a population? I'm not well placed to answer, but I know my sister is up to her neck thin this and thinks it's great. I know my Dad isn't, but thinks it's awful. Friends who I still communicate with in NZ, seemed to be huge fans of Ardern, which is the point I leave the convo alone.
Is it really the vast majority who can't stand Davidson / Tomato juice fruitloop? Or are they the sort of movement with huge traction based on Cindy's PR blitz? Real question worth asking.
How pathetic NZ has become.
As I said in the opening. Not alone, and not the cause.
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@MajorRage said in NZ Politics:
I don't know Luxon overly well, but I suspect he is scared of pushing too hard on it, as the repercussions (with him being Davidson's critique). You have the same here in the UK (in the opposite political direction) in that the leader of the opposition is being quite weak, as they have a decent lead in the polls and are really only focused on winning the next election.
Critical difference is Luxon needs the median voter. His whole party should be relentlessly focussed on getting that 50th percentile to swing to National, not Labour. MMP drives this; you need 50% of voters in your coalition.
This drives middle of the road, death by a thousand cuts policies. Key was a master of this, Clark did well for a while. Adern - genuinely not sure; some of the policy was ambitious and increasingly controversial. But if you wonder why CGT got binned, it's because the middle of the road voters didn't like it.
There is a good discussion about following those voters vs leading those voters, but getting out of step with them is going to lose you an election.
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@MajorRage said in NZ Politics:
Where is NZ really on the woke scale, as a population?
Overall as in most things more left wing than most countries.
More specifically.
30% fully bought into the TOE-MA-TOE /TO-MATE-O agenda.
20% indignant at the increasing wokeness and madly posting against gender, race, maori name changes etc on all forms of social media
50% totally bemused and just trying to get on with life.As for the Fern; obviously a bolt hole for CIS, male, colonialist apologists who only want to see a broadening of the male, racist hegemony while never moving too far away from the Barbie or the TV remote.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@MajorRage said in NZ Politics:
Where is NZ really on the woke scale, as a population?
Overall as in most things more left wing than most countries.
More specifically.
30% fully bought into the TOE-MA-TOE /TO-MATE-O agenda.
20% indignant at the increasing wokeness and madly posting against gender, race, maori name changes etc on all forms of social media
50% totally bemused and just trying to get on with life.As for the Fern; obviously a bolt hole for CIS, male, colonialist apologists who only want to see a broadening of the male, racist hegemony while never moving too far away from the Barbie or the TV remote.
This is wrong. A high percentage of posters identify as hawt Polish women.
FFS I had to google what cis male even was. The LGBT community make up a lot of new words and grammatical expressions, its hard to keep up!
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
This is wrong. A high percentage of posters identify as hawt Polish women.
That could never be wrong. .
FFS I had to google what cis male even was. The LGBT community make up a lot of new words and grammatical expressions, its hard to keep up!Alt: CIS=someone easily and often bullied in the school playground.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
Overall as in most things more left wing than most countries.
OK, I know I'm posing a question here not having lived in NZ for decades, but...
Is NZ really more left-wing than most other countries? Or is what is perceived as left wing actually pragmatism The idea of the ACC Act is seen as pretty Left wing from a UK perspective, but in reality isn't it just a good solution to the problem of worker safety and injuries which cuts out the lawyers and ambulance-chasers you see in other countries and provides more certainty for people who are injured and their employers?
Tax-wise, NZ looks remarkably right-wing compared to other rich countries. Is NZ a right-wing country economically, but a little to the left on some issues?
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@Victor-Meldrew I honestly dont know anymore.
I think as @dogmeat said above "50% totally bemused and just trying to get on with life" alot of people just want to get on and do thier own thing, and arent interested in all the BS.
I mean my household falls into that category, Mrs TR still watched the news and follows all the shit on social media, where people talk about all the petty crime, issues with this that and the other, and always tries to engage me in them, and honestly, I dont give a shit...I always retort with no I didnt see that and you know I dont really care...I mean when she leaves the room if I am watchign TV I flip off the news to watch anything else, or just switch it off.
I have enough going on in my own life trying to deal with my kids BS, find ways to save a $ given the way costs are rising, if it doesnt affect me, I mostly dont care about other stuff in the world - sure that may seem small minded or selfish, but again, I dont really care
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@Victor-Meldrew said in NZ Politics:
Is NZ really more left-wing than most other countries?
It's probably a historic perception from the days (almost a century ago) when we led the world in social reform.
We are certainly more left wing than the US and are early adopters of most social policies.
I did say most countries, not most rich countries, so my statement on that basis is accurate.If you isolate it to richer countries. More left wing than the Asian democracies, the US. Less than France, Holland and the Nordic countries.
The rest - unsure. Long time since I lived outside NZ. When I did NZ was way more left than UK. Still appears to be so to me at least.
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