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I'd prefer we look to the future and look after everyone equitably.
A democratic vote should be equal despite your ancestry/colour of your skin.
Where there are poor outcomes in society (education, crime, health, etc) we should help whoever is effected, be they Pacific Islanders, Asian, Maori or Pakeha.
ACT is right when they say it's a very divisive policy.
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@Kirwan Of course ACT is right. However co-governance doesn't give anyone an extra vote.
It's akin to giving iwi as shareholders in NZ Inc a couple of seats on the Board. The collective still runs the business. Boards are often made up like this.
It's not a hill I am prepared to die on as I'm genuinely not that fussed either way, but I think there are stronger reasons to oppose Labour's meddling with 3Waters and Te Whatu Ora than co-governance.
If guys like Key, English and Finlayson are in favour and don't see it as a risk to our traditional democratic values then I'm prepared to accept that ACT are simply shit-stirring.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat I thought the co-governance talk was down to the fact neither red or blue could gain a majority in the house with blue aligning with yellow and red with green and it would effectively be left to the Maori Party (or I am sure Whinny thinks he has another shot) as kingmaker requiring co-governance?
I wonder if any 3 Waters supporters will be dumb enough to use the flooding as reason 3 waters is good?
The FB warriors wasted little time
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@canefan yeah seen some of them, it will more be if they use it as ammo in parliament.
I would say most stormwater systems would be overwhelmed by that volume of water in such a short space, a city like Auckland would have such a huge amount of impervious surfaces, all that water has to go somewhere, and if it can't, it just gets deeper.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@canefan yeah seen some of them, it will more be if they use it as ammo in parliament.
I would say most stormwater systems would be overwhelmed by that volume of water in such a short space, a city like Auckland would have such a huge amount of impervious surfaces, all that water has to go somewhere, and if it can't, it just gets deeper.
It was crazy. At the same time from my personal experience the council has been negligent in their maintenance of storm water drains and water ways behind my property. We were very lucky to escape without flood damage
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan Of course ACT is right. However co-governance doesn't give anyone an extra vote.
It's akin to giving iwi as shareholders in NZ Inc a couple of seats on the Board. The collective still runs the business. Boards are often made up like this.
It's not a hill I am prepared to die on as I'm genuinely not that fussed either way, but I think there are stronger reasons to oppose Labour's meddling with 3Waters and Te Whatu Ora than co-governance.
If guys like Key, English and Finlayson are in favour and don't see it as a risk to our traditional democratic values then I'm prepared to accept that ACT are simply shit-stirring.
Labour have shown plenty of ineptitude in a variety of areas, that’s not interesting to discuss.
The nature of representation in our government is. Moving our society to seperate entities based on race seems a very 19th century approach to me.
Noises have been made about seperate entities for resource management, health and much more quietly, the justice system.
It may be the same number of votes, but one will be worth more than another. Our current system is not perfect, and we should always be trying to improve, but the goal for society has to be everyone be treated equitably and have the same opportunities in life.
Those boards/entities need to be a meritocracy, not a race based selection. It’s kinda crazy to even have to type that out.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat he certainly seems to need some media training, he may have some great strengths, but communicating, particularly with media doesnt seem one of them
Interview this morning with newshub...yikes.
We didn't have a hell of a lot of choice. It was him or the Jacinda endorsed Collins. One of the more capable (on the surface) candidates pulled out before the election. Wayne did end of causing the head of AT to resign, so that was a good thing
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The Head of AT had already resigned. What Brown achieved was getting the front runner to become his replacement to withdraw because of his (Brown's) bullshit and bluster and the Mayor's lack of commitment and obvious political interference.
Nothing about Brown's performance should come as a shock. He is the archetypical grumpy old man. Can't stand criticism, thinks he's a fucking genius, is a blow hard and a lazy prick to boot.
Collins was not a great alternative but hard to imagine he could have been any worse.
As for the 3rd candidate - were you thinking of Viv Beck? She would have got my vote, but your ad agency taking legal action because you owed them a small fortune scuppered her chances.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
Nothing about Brown's performance should come as a shock. He is the archetypical grumpy old man. Can't stand criticism, thinks he's a fucking genius, is a blow hard and a lazy prick to boot.
Come now!! He's not too lazy to play tennis
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat he certainly seems to need some media training, 1 he may have some great strengths, but 2 communicating, particularly with media doesnt seem one of them
Interview this morning with newshub...yikes.
1 "great strengths"? I don't know what they are?
2 would have thought media communication was kind of important to the role of Mayor but all my knowledge of political roles comes from watching the Simpsons... -
@nostrildamus I did say he 'may have'
I know buggar all about him, I never voted for him...
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@nostrildamus I did say he 'may have'
I know buggar all about him, I never voted for him...
Yes, sorry, I meant, I genuinely wasn't sure what his great strengths were and would like to know, I saw some campaign material and online interviews but didn't learn very much.
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@nostrildamus said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat he certainly seems to need some media training, 1 he may have some great strengths, but 2 communicating, particularly with media doesnt seem one of them
Interview this morning with newshub...yikes.
1 "great strengths"? I don't know what they are?
2 would have thought media communication was kind of important to the role of Mayor but all my knowledge of political roles comes from watching the Simpsons... -
Its pretty obvious that s/he's untalented and has tried to become famous through being controversial. Stuff fell for it and this will be the first in a series of articles. The next will be her saying s/he feels "unsafe " due to the white supremacist backlash then they'll go after the people saying this shouldn't be tax payer funded.
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@paremata said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Its pretty obvious that s/he's untalented and has tried to become famous through being controversial. Stuff fell for it and this will be the first in a series of articles. The next will be her saying s/he feels "unsafe " due to the white supremacist backlash then they'll go after the people saying this shouldn't be tax payer funded.
What the hell is an Ockham award ?
I feel stupid and offended for clicking on this race baiting shit. I thought even stuff was better than this.
There’s absolutely zero talent on display whatsoever.
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