Bledisloe 2
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@Canes4life said in Bledisloe 2:
The fact Foster bluntly said about three weeks ago that he saw Barrett as a fullback when questioned on Jordie moving into 12 suggests that he’s never really seen him as a midfielder. I call bullshit on the fact he’s had any sort of plan moving Jordie to 12, it’s more sheer luck for us fans that the two players he preferred in that position got injured and it forced his hand.
Who has claimed a plan?
Like some other players that have taken chances, that chance only came by luck.
I never saw JB play like that at 12 until tonight and I am glad he did so.
Just because some have been wanting him to get that chance doesn’t mean that they are smarter than the selectors.
Don’t forget that last week there was no hesitation putting him in there after the injuries when they could just as easily gone for a RM/BB combo and that they backed him based on that performance even though it didn’t set the world on fire.You've obviously not watched the canes this year, in a dysfunctional team, jordie was great at 12
Not correct. I actually went to games he played at 12 to watch for myself. Watched both end on and side on.
Great is not how I would describe it. If I could be bothered finding the thread I think it was more like unsure and indecisive at times and that he looked like a fullback slotted in at 12.
That was all understandable given his lack of play in the position. Yes, he got better but his play still didn’t scream “pick me” so I can understand how he wasn’t a first option there for the ABs when he was our best back last year while playing 15.
If you can show me a game at a decent level where he played 12 as well as he did last night then I am happy to concede the point.
Last night was very good but I also want to see if a backline of 5 outside backs works against better sides as well.
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@TheMojoman said in Bledisloe 2:
Finally, almost a complete performance. Complete dominance of the Wallabies.
Wallabies will be very unhappy, nothing went right, discipline, poor skills, just wilted under the AB pressure.
Jordie was excellent at 12, great impersonation of Ngani Laumape running over players while kicking and distributing really well. Mo’unga in his post-match interview said he was giving him some great guidance on plays etc. Foster will probably put him on the wing now.
Puzzling that RTS only got 10mins?
Codie Taylor again struggled with his line out
throwing. He was average in an outstanding team. Leave him at home for the EOYT and take Aumua. Foster will probably make him Capt.Actually I thought Taylor was pretty good tonight, and I say that as someone who had written him off as past it. His throwing wasn’t consistently good but he can work on that so long as his head is in the right space, and he seemed a lot more focussed. Early days but I wouldn’t moan if they took him on the EOYT.
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@Paekakboyz said in Bledisloe 2:
@Tim I'm wondering if he's put a bit more bulk on after his time away. He's always been a bit heavier than Whitelock but seemed leaner when he first got back from his stint in Japan. I'm stoked he's getting into some form, he's only 31 and even with the demands of the modern game that's middle aged for a tight forward.
The bulk thing is/was well known and commented on. He had to shed kegs to play in Japan but was then expected to put them back on while playing which is what took so long. He wasn’t always being selected because he was the best but because their was faith that he’d grow back to the previous levels of awesomeness while still being equal to other options.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@Canes4life said in Bledisloe 2:
The fact Foster bluntly said about three weeks ago that he saw Barrett as a fullback when questioned on Jordie moving into 12 suggests that he’s never really seen him as a midfielder. I call bullshit on the fact he’s had any sort of plan moving Jordie to 12, it’s more sheer luck for us fans that the two players he preferred in that position got injured and it forced his hand.
Who has claimed a plan?
Like some other players that have taken chances, that chance only came by luck.
I never saw JB play like that at 12 until tonight and I am glad he did so.
Just because some have been wanting him to get that chance doesn’t mean that they are smarter than the selectors.
Don’t forget that last week there was no hesitation putting him in there after the injuries when they could just as easily gone for a RM/BB combo and that they backed him based on that performance even though it didn’t set the world on fire.You've obviously not watched the canes this year, in a dysfunctional team, jordie was great at 12
Not correct. I actually went to games he played at 12 to watch for myself. Watched both end on and side on.
Great is not how I would describe it. If I could be bothered finding the thread I think it was more like unsure and indecisive at times and that he looked like a fullback slotted in at 12.
That was all understandable given his lack of play in the position. Yes, he got better but his play still didn’t scream “pick me” so I can understand how he wasn’t a first option there for the ABs when he was our best back last year while playing 15.
If you can show me a game at a decent level where he played 12 as well as he did last night then I am happy to concede the point.
Last night was very good but I also want to see if a backline of 5 outside backs works against better sides as well.
Does it look like our best option for the RWC? Yep. Much better than anything else we have.Agree. I was happy to see him move back to FB. But overall this year he wasn't as good this year either at FB or 2nd 5. He was great during super rugby at FB last year but slipped a bit this year. Still quality though
I hope he sticks with the Canes though. We need to keep our only AB back. Let him focus on 2nd 5 outside (maybe) Morgan. Hes developing into a quality 1st 5
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That tip on Dalton, very much like 2005. Two guys lift, one lets go, it turns to custard.
I wonder what he did to deserve this pre-planned coordinated, off the ball assault? Musta picked some grass or something?
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:
To hell with the doom and gloomers, I fucking love that backline, have wanted to see it for ages. Smith's lightning pass to set them away, Mo'unga's vision on attack who is finding his feet at this level, Jordie a big bopper at 12 who will hit hard on defense, bend the line and has the bonus of a massive boot, Rieko the most lethal player on the planet right now, the closest thing we've had to Cullen on the right wing, world POTY at the back with a license to roam and inject himself in his usual opportunistic way, and an absolute powerhouse on the left wing that is making a habit of knocking those who try to tackle him the fuck out.
If they click they will be fucking unstoppable.
This backline went OK eh? Imagine how they'd go with more gametime together...
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:
To hell with the doom and gloomers, I fucking love that backline, have wanted to see it for ages. Smith's lightning pass to set them away, Mo'unga's vision on attack who is finding his feet at this level, Jordie a big bopper at 12 who will hit hard on defense, bend the line and has the bonus of a massive boot, Rieko the most lethal player on the planet right now, the closest thing we've had to Cullen on the right wing, world POTY at the back with a license to roam and inject himself in his usual opportunistic way, and an absolute powerhouse on the left wing that is making a habit of knocking those who try to tackle him the fuck out.
If they click they will be fucking unstoppable.
This backline went OK eh? Imagine how they'd go with more gametime together...
Definitely deserve another game together
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@Tim said in Bledisloe 2:
@Chris said in Bledisloe 2:
Akira Ioane: Didn’t do much to solve any No 6 questions. Aside from a ripped ball near his own line, nothing much to catch the eye apart from showing his skills with a deft left-foot kick and speedy chase. Replaced in the 70th minute. 5.5
If you're relying on Stuff then just give up. He was good in all aspects, but especially defence. His maul defence is excellent. ABs did not give away a single point while he was on the field.
I did not see it that way, and no not relying on stuff just pointing out other people and people on the fern as well didn't rate Akira's game,And I have been supportive of him before but he was not good IMO last night.
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:
To hell with the doom and gloomers, I fucking love that backline, have wanted to see it for ages. Smith's lightning pass to set them away, Mo'unga's vision on attack who is finding his feet at this level, Jordie a big bopper at 12 who will hit hard on defense, bend the line and has the bonus of a massive boot, Rieko the most lethal player on the planet right now, the closest thing we've had to Cullen on the right wing, world POTY at the back with a license to roam and inject himself in his usual opportunistic way, and an absolute powerhouse on the left wing that is making a habit of knocking those who try to tackle him the fuck out.
If they click they will be fucking unstoppable.
This backline went OK eh? Imagine how they'd go with more gametime together...
I’m more intrigued on how they will go against better sides. That was effectively two inside backs and 5 outside ones last night and in a way was what Eddie Jones has been trying to create with England. A multi tasking backline without positions. “Midfielders” that can take on the outsides and outsides that can roam freely into the middle knowing they haven’t left a hole. Hence my mid game comments about whether Jordie really was playing 12 or playing mix and match.
Whether this has been stumbled on by luck is irrelevant. Whether it works well against teams ranked higher than 9 is the question.
I think it could. Unfortunately we may have stumbled on it a touch early and dampened the powder as other team analysts will collect plenty of data before the RWC.
I hope that SA are less of an issue now. I can’t see them adjusting much and France will still be a problem based on their own current game. The likes of Ireland and England may have savvy enough coaches to frustrate us and take away our opportunities to the extent that we revert to being headless chooks. -
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:
To hell with the doom and gloomers, I fucking love that backline, have wanted to see it for ages. Smith's lightning pass to set them away, Mo'unga's vision on attack who is finding his feet at this level, Jordie a big bopper at 12 who will hit hard on defense, bend the line and has the bonus of a massive boot, Rieko the most lethal player on the planet right now, the closest thing we've had to Cullen on the right wing, world POTY at the back with a license to roam and inject himself in his usual opportunistic way, and an absolute powerhouse on the left wing that is making a habit of knocking those who try to tackle him the fuck out.
If they click they will be fucking unstoppable.
This backline went OK eh? Imagine how they'd go with more gametime together...
I’m more intrigued on how they will go against better sides. That was effectively two inside backs and 5 outside ones last night and in a way was what Eddie Jones has been trying to create with England. A multi tasking backline without positions. “Midfielders” that can take on the outsides and outsides that can roam freely into the middle knowing they haven’t left a hole.
Whether this has been stumbled on by luck is irrelevant. Whether it works well against teams ranked higher than 9 is the question.
I think it could. Unfortunately we may have stumbled on it a touch early and dampened the powder as other team analysts will collect plenty of data before the RWC.
I hope that SA are less of an issue now. I can’t see them adjusting much and France will still be a problem based on their own current game. The likes of Ireland and England may have savvy enough coaches to frustrate us and take away our opportunities to the extent that we revert to being headless chooks.To put things in perspective last night,Aussie were fucking terrible we will not get that sort leeway against the better teams,Australia are ranked 9th in the World because they Suck.A wait and see for me before I claim the AB's as anything else bur error ridden and prone to go missing when heat is applied.
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@scribe said in Bledisloe 2:
I thought the Irish ref managed the game well and had a bit of presence about him. Reasonably clear instructions and explanations and handled the yappy scrum halves effectively.
Don't look at Ausie rugby sites then.
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Right, so after match report. Awesome night out with the family.
We rocked up about 4pm so we could park closish to the ground. Let the boys (9, 4 & 1) play at a playground for a while and then headed into Kingsland to get some dinner.
My wife stood out in a sea of black again. The 1 and 4 years olds were decked in black, and the 9 year old half black half gold in a show of solidarity for her. Got plenty of attention from passerbys on the way to the ground.
When we arrived the Black Ferns had about 30mins left, and the main excitement there was whether they'd crack 100. Was cool seeing them live, they have some fantastic skills and we'll look to get along to a few RWC games. I think Woodman scored like 7 tries lol.
Then the game, freaking awesome. We started slow, and failed to capitalise on a 1 man advantage early on. Wallabies were extremely lucky not to see red there, I'd say if Dalton got injured they would have.
Then after a slightly disjointed start which is probably to be expected with so many changes, the ABs really started getting into their work. We really just ground them down, leading to a lot of penalties our way through pressure and our backline started to show what they can do on the back of that.
I haven't watched the game on TV, and I did have a 1 year old distracting me a bit, but players that stood out live were:
Jordie - just a dominant presence out there in everything he did. Defense, ball in hand, kicking, passing, he was just phenomenal. I remember getting on @Rancid-Schnitzel's bandwagon a few years ago, and thought a midfield combo of Jordie & Rieko is the future. Well the future came to pass, and it was a thing of beauty. Give those guys every game together now until the RWC please.
BBBR - he was back to his best IMO, a number of strong carries, big hits on defense and doing all the dirty work he is known for. Just threw himself around like a fucking maniac and had the Wallabies back peddling for most of the game. Hugely impressive performance from the big man.
Lomax - as with BBBR he was a dominant force out there. After some real concerns with the depth of our front rowers recently we have unearthed some serious talent there now. Great to see.
Rieko - he is so fucking fast, he's an absolute weapon at 13. Don't agree with the calls to put him back on the wing, 13 is perfect for him, gets his hands on the ball plenty and still has space to use his pace on the outside. For one incredible break he made down the touchline where he cut back in instead of finding Jordan outside him, I knew his haters would lose their shit over that, but it was pretty clear Koroibeti had Jordan covered. I thought that showed Rieko's maturity as a player - too often we try to push miracle balls after a break and turn possesion over. I believe we ended up scoring on the back of the territory we made from his break there.
The rest of the forwards - all excellent, nobody had a poor game really. The loosies went well, Dalton and Akira in particular were very strong in the tight, and Ardie always a threat with ball in hand. Sam led the team superbly, De Groot was good though I think he was gassed at times so fitness still an issue. Taylor was good around the park but the lineouts are still a problem.
The rest of the backs - as above, all excellent. Mo'unga is still a bit rocks and diamonds, but I think the more starts he gets the more he'll iron that out. Beauden was superb from the back, injecting himself at the right time. Clarke was near faultless, nullifying lots of high balls (he got applause for a number of his takes under pressure, they weren't easy), defended well and strong with ball in hand. One of the biggest cheers of the night was when he bowled over that Aussie on our own 22. Will "Christian Cullen" Jordan scored a try Cully would have been proud of, and Smith was very solid though I agree he needs to run more
Now I'll rewatch the game and change my mind on 90% of what I said above.
But all in all a great night out and another fantastic performance from the ABs at Fortress Eden. We really missed a trick not playing the decider against Ireland there, we would have won the series 2-1 if we did.
Awesome to have the Bledisloe and RC wrapped up, and really looking forward to the EOYT with our new and improved backline.
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:
Right, so after match report. Awesome night out with the family.
We rocked up about 4pm so we could park closish to the ground. Let the boys (9, 4 & 1) play at a playground for a while and then headed into Kingsland to get some dinner.
My wife stood out in a sea of black again. The 1 and 4 years olds were decked in black, and the 9 year old half black half gold in a show of solidarity for her. Got plenty of attention from passerbys on the way to the ground.
When we arrived the Black Ferns had about 30mins left, and the main excitement there was whether they'd crack 100. Was cool seeing them live, they have some fantastic skills and we'll look to get along to a few RWC games. I think Woodman scored like 7 tries lol.
Then the game, freaking awesome. We started slow, and failed to capitalise on a 1 man advantage early on. Wallabies were extremely lucky not to see red there, I'd say if Dalton got injured they would have.
Then after a slightly disjointed start which is probably to be expected with so many changes, the ABs really started getting into their work. We really just ground them down, leading to a lot of penalties our way through pressure and our backline started to show what they can do on the back of that.
I haven't watched the game on TV, and I did have a 1 year old distracting me a bit, but players that stood out live were:
Jordie - just a dominant presence out there in everything he did. Defense, ball in hand, kicking, passing, he was just phenomenal. I remember getting on @Rancid-Schnitzel's bandwagon a few years ago, and thought a midfield combo of Jordie & Rieko is the future. Well the future came to pass, and it was a thing of beauty. Give those guys every game together now until the RWC please.
BBBR - he was back to his best IMO, a number of strong carries, big hits on defense and doing all the dirty work he is known for. Just threw himself around like a fucking maniac and had the Wallabies back peddling for most of the game. Hugely impressive performance from the big man.
Lomax - as with BBBR he was a dominant force out there. After some real concerns with the depth of our front rowers recently we have unearthed some serious talent there now. Great to see.
Rieko - he is so fucking fast, he's an absolute weapon at 13. Don't agree with the calls to put him back on the wing, 13 is perfect for him, gets his hands on the ball plenty and still has space to use his pace on the outside. For one incredible break he made down the touchline where he cut back in instead of finding Jordan outside him, I knew his haters would lose their shit over that, but it was pretty clear Koroibeti had Jordan covered. I thought that showed Rieko's maturity as a player - too often we try to push miracle balls after a break and turn possesion over. I believe we ended up scoring on the back of the territory we made from his break there.
The rest of the forwards - all excellent, nobody had a poor game really. The loosies went well, Dalton and Akira in particular were very strong in the tight, and Ardie always a threat with ball in hand. Sam led the team superbly, Newel was good though I think he was gassed at times so fitness still an issue. Taylor was good around the park but the lineouts are still a problem.
The rest of the backs - as above, all excellent. Mo'unga is still a bit rocks and diamonds, but I think the more starts he gets the more he'll iron that out. Beauden was superb from the back, injecting himself at the right time. Clarke was near faultless, nullifying lots of high balls (he got applause for a number of his takes under pressure, they weren't easy), defended well and strong with ball in hand. One of the biggest cheers of the night was when he bowled over that Aussie on our own 22. Will "Christian Cullen" Jordan scored a try Cully would have been proud of, and Smith was very solid though I agree he needs to run more
Now I'll rewatch the game and change my mind on 90% of what I said above.
But all in all a great night out and another fantastic performance from the ABs at Fortress Eden. We really missed a trick not playing the decider against Ireland there, we would have won the series 2-1 if we did.
Awesome to have the Bledisloe and RC wrapped up, and really looking forward to the EOYT with our new and improved backline.
Newell didn’t play. Presume you mean DeGroot.
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@Steve said in Bledisloe 2:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:
Right, so after match report. Awesome night out with the family.
We rocked up about 4pm so we could park closish to the ground. Let the boys (9, 4 & 1) play at a playground for a while and then headed into Kingsland to get some dinner.
My wife stood out in a sea of black again. The 1 and 4 years olds were decked in black, and the 9 year old half black half gold in a show of solidarity for her. Got plenty of attention from passerbys on the way to the ground.
When we arrived the Black Ferns had about 30mins left, and the main excitement there was whether they'd crack 100. Was cool seeing them live, they have some fantastic skills and we'll look to get along to a few RWC games. I think Woodman scored like 7 tries lol.
Then the game, freaking awesome. We started slow, and failed to capitalise on a 1 man advantage early on. Wallabies were extremely lucky not to see red there, I'd say if Dalton got injured they would have.
Then after a slightly disjointed start which is probably to be expected with so many changes, the ABs really started getting into their work. We really just ground them down, leading to a lot of penalties our way through pressure and our backline started to show what they can do on the back of that.
I haven't watched the game on TV, and I did have a 1 year old distracting me a bit, but players that stood out live were:
Jordie - just a dominant presence out there in everything he did. Defense, ball in hand, kicking, passing, he was just phenomenal. I remember getting on @Rancid-Schnitzel's bandwagon a few years ago, and thought a midfield combo of Jordie & Rieko is the future. Well the future came to pass, and it was a thing of beauty. Give those guys every game together now until the RWC please.
BBBR - he was back to his best IMO, a number of strong carries, big hits on defense and doing all the dirty work he is known for. Just threw himself around like a fucking maniac and had the Wallabies back peddling for most of the game. Hugely impressive performance from the big man.
Lomax - as with BBBR he was a dominant force out there. After some real concerns with the depth of our front rowers recently we have unearthed some serious talent there now. Great to see.
Rieko - he is so fucking fast, he's an absolute weapon at 13. Don't agree with the calls to put him back on the wing, 13 is perfect for him, gets his hands on the ball plenty and still has space to use his pace on the outside. For one incredible break he made down the touchline where he cut back in instead of finding Jordan outside him, I knew his haters would lose their shit over that, but it was pretty clear Koroibeti had Jordan covered. I thought that showed Rieko's maturity as a player - too often we try to push miracle balls after a break and turn possesion over. I believe we ended up scoring on the back of the territory we made from his break there.
The rest of the forwards - all excellent, nobody had a poor game really. The loosies went well, Dalton and Akira in particular were very strong in the tight, and Ardie always a threat with ball in hand. Sam led the team superbly, Newel was good though I think he was gassed at times so fitness still an issue. Taylor was good around the park but the lineouts are still a problem.
The rest of the backs - as above, all excellent. Mo'unga is still a bit rocks and diamonds, but I think the more starts he gets the more he'll iron that out. Beauden was superb from the back, injecting himself at the right time. Clarke was near faultless, nullifying lots of high balls (he got applause for a number of his takes under pressure, they weren't easy), defended well and strong with ball in hand. One of the biggest cheers of the night was when he bowled over that Aussie on our own 22. Will "Christian Cullen" Jordan scored a try Cully would have been proud of, and Smith was very solid though I agree he needs to run more
Now I'll rewatch the game and change my mind on 90% of what I said above.
But all in all a great night out and another fantastic performance from the ABs at Fortress Eden. We really missed a trick not playing the decider against Ireland there, we would have won the series 2-1 if we did.
Awesome to have the Bledisloe and RC wrapped up, and really looking forward to the EOYT with our new and improved backline.
Newell didn’t play. Presume you mean DeGroot.
LOL yes I do, thanks, will edit
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The idea that JB was in the pipeline at 12 and would have been given a crack there is laughable. This was a Bradbury selection by Foster.
Anyway it was great to finally see him there and I hope those who were so derisive about it have consumed a nice big shįt burger.
As an aside Brodie was terrific. Best game in years.
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@Kirwan said in Bledisloe 2:
@Chris said in Bledisloe 2:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Bledisloe 2:
Did the Aussies make meters up fat man's ally? Did they destroy our maul? Did they gain the advantage on the blindside? All nopes? I think Akira had a great game.
Stuff has a different view
Akira Ioane: Didn’t do much to solve any No 6 questions. Aside from a ripped ball near his own line, nothing much to catch the eye apart from showing his skills with a deft left-foot kick and speedy chase. Replaced in the 70th minute. 5.5
Just a poor take.
He defended well, used his bulk to move bodies, this fabled thing about him not using his shoulder is simply untrue. Several examples in this game alone.
Played tight like many have been asked him to show he can and did it well. Was throwing players back in gang tackles like a beast. Was fun to watch.
He’s particularly strong in the maul too.
One opportunity out wide and showed good skill to earn the team a 5m scrum. Rest of the time he did what he said he’d do the press conference, the dirty work so Ardie could run out on the wing.
Yeah, since when has the Fern deferred to Stuff for player ratings? We usually just post them to take the piss, not use them seriously @Chris
What I found interesting was that there were a few rucks where Akira blew over the top and went to the ground and I was thinking he'd need to watch out or he'd get penalised. Frizell was doing the same in his 1 and half decent games this year and was lauded for it.
