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It's difficult to not come to the conclusion that the DoJ is compromised by political appointees.
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@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@stodders so it'd be worthwhile noting instances when this sort of action aren't driven by politics? Not that the FBI raid the premises of an ex-president everyday.
FBI didn't raid Clinton's premises when they had sufficient reason to do so because they knew she was hoarding emails and documents. How else do you explain the non-action on her? US institutions should be politically agnostic (i know this is hard), but they have been made political. Both sides are to blame on this.
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@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@stodders so it'd be worthwhile noting instances when this sort of action aren't driven by politics? Not that the FBI raid the premises of an ex-president everyday.
Also, have the DoJ or the FBI done anything about Hunter Biden's laptop or his business dealings in Ukraine? Or are they waiting for Biden's Presidential term to end before pursuing that one?
Nobody should be above the law (although this hasn't been the case for a long time). I have no issue with the FBI going after Trump if it didn't stink of being politically motivated to stop him from running in 2024 and if the DoJ/FBI/CIA were even handed in bringing people to justice based on their crimes, not their political persuasions.
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@stodders said in US Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@stodders so it'd be worthwhile noting instances when this sort of action aren't driven by politics? Not that the FBI raid the premises of an ex-president everyday.
Also, have the DoJ or the FBI done anything about Hunter Biden's laptop or his business dealings in Ukraine? Or are they waiting for Biden's Presidential term to end before pursuing that one?
Nobody should be above the law (although this hasn't been the case for a long time). I have no issue with the FBI going after Trump if it didn't stink of being politically motivated to stop him from running in 2024 and if the DoJ/FBI/CIA were even handed in bringing people to justice based on their crimes, not their political persuasions.
But apparently this investigation was prompted by the NA rather than the DoJ or the FBI/CIA. Moreover for the FBI to search the property, they required a warrant authorised and signed by an independent judge (we'll all probably have a different view about the likelihood of such an animal existing). In terms of precedent for the NA to request such a thing, you would need to look back to February of this year.
Quote: In February, the National Archives said it had retrieved 15 boxes of papers from Mar-a-Lago, which Mr Trump should have turned over when he left the White House.
The agency later told Congress the boxes included "items marked as classified national security information".I can quite see the justification for such a search, though it is also easy to see perhaps similar justification for going after Hillary's laptop. However there is no amount of whatabouttery can diminish the legality of this search - certainly with what has been presented so far.
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@Catogrande said in US Politics:
@stodders said in US Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@stodders so it'd be worthwhile noting instances when this sort of action aren't driven by politics? Not that the FBI raid the premises of an ex-president everyday.
Also, have the DoJ or the FBI done anything about Hunter Biden's laptop or his business dealings in Ukraine? Or are they waiting for Biden's Presidential term to end before pursuing that one?
Nobody should be above the law (although this hasn't been the case for a long time). I have no issue with the FBI going after Trump if it didn't stink of being politically motivated to stop him from running in 2024 and if the DoJ/FBI/CIA were even handed in bringing people to justice based on their crimes, not their political persuasions.
But apparently this investigation was prompted by the NA rather than the DoJ or the FBI/CIA. Moreover for the FBI to search the property, they required a warrant authorised and signed by an independent judge (we'll all probably have a different view about the likelihood of such an animal existing). In terms of precedent for the NA to request such a thing, you would need to look back to February of this year.
Quote: In February, the National Archives said it had retrieved 15 boxes of papers from Mar-a-Lago, which Mr Trump should have turned over when he left the White House.
The agency later told Congress the boxes included "items marked as classified national security information".I can quite see the justification for such a search, though it is also easy to see perhaps similar justification for going after Hillary's laptop. However there is no amount of whatabouttery can diminish the legality of this search - certainly with what has been presented so far.
Not saying it isn't legitimate. Just that the tit-for-tat that is the Dems vs GOP is so toxic.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
It's difficult to not come to the conclusion that the DoJ is compromised by political appointees.
Read today the Republicans are planning to hold an enquiry into the DoJ & FBI if they win a majority in the mid-terms. And this was from the more sensible side of the party.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
It's difficult to not come to the conclusion that the DoJ is compromised by political appointees.
Read today the Republicans are planning to hold an enquiry into the DoJ & FBI if they win a majority in the mid-terms. And this was from the more sensible side of the party.
Which means it will happen, as I can't see the Dems winning the mid-terms. Biden is selling/releasing the strategic oil reserves to bring down gas prices just in time for them (such a cynical, short-term move), but it won't matter.
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I genuinely feel sorry for the bloke but you have to ask if he'll make it to full term
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
I genuinely feel sorry for the bloke but you have to ask if he'll make it to full term
He put himself in that position.
What on earth do you have to do to fail the Presidential fit-for-office test? He is obviously incapable of being left unattended. His wife is effectively his 24/7 nurse. It is absurd.
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Politically speaking, the US is a basket case currently and in truth has been for a while. The last three POTUS options have been Hillary, Trump and the Living Dead and you’d have to say it’s probable that all three will be in the mix next time round. Yes I know Biden will almost certainly be dead, but I’d still fancy his chances of seeing off Hillary as the Dems nominee.
Luckily here in the UK we can feel smug and superior having elected Boris.
Wait. What?
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@Catogrande said in US Politics:
Politically speaking, the US is a basket case currently and in truth has been for a while. The last three POTUS options have been Hillary, Trump and the Living Dead and you’d have to say it’s probable that all three will be in the mix next time round. Yes I know Biden will almost certainly be dead, but I’d still fancy his chances of seeing off Hillary as the Dems nominee.
Luckily here in the UK we can feel smug and superior having elected Boris.
Wait. What?
Has a ventriloquist's dummy ever been President before? First time for everything.
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@Catogrande said in US Politics:
Politically speaking, the US is a basket case currently and in truth has been for a while. The last three POTUS options have been Hillary, Trump and the Living Dead and you’d have to say it’s probable that all three will be in the mix next time round. Yes I know Biden will almost certainly be dead, but I’d still fancy his chances of seeing off Hillary as the Dems nominee.
Luckily here in the UK we can feel smug and superior having elected Boris.
Wait. What?
Boris, for all his faults, is not close to needing life support and can talk without his words coming from a teleprompter. Fair enough, some of his words are absolute codswallop, but you can generally follow the thread.
I want to know who is running the US right now, because Biden is most likely lying on the oval office couch waiting for his wife to give him his next set of pills.
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My thoughts were that, rather than looking at Biden as a comparison, we have little to cheer about when we had Boris and the poor old seppos had Trump. Thankfully we haven’t had a PM that could possibly be classified as clinically dead since Alec Douglas-Home. Some have been that effective though
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
I genuinely feel sorry for the bloke but you have to ask if he'll make it to full term
Of all the videos, that one I feel is the poorest from the MSM. Who hasn't had their partner help them get an arm into a jacket?
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
I genuinely feel sorry for the bloke but you have to ask if he'll make it to full term
Of all the videos, that one I feel is the poorest from the MSM. Who hasn't had their partner help them get an arm into a jacket?
Better?
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@stodders said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
I genuinely feel sorry for the bloke but you have to ask if he'll make it to full term
Of all the videos, that one I feel is the poorest from the MSM. Who hasn't had their partner help them get an arm into a jacket?
Better?
Not really - I've seen that happen to cyclists a third his age. It's not like there isn't plenty of evidence of his cognitive decline, it just seems anything that isn't perfect is now seized upon.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@stodders said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
I genuinely feel sorry for the bloke but you have to ask if he'll make it to full term
Of all the videos, that one I feel is the poorest from the MSM. Who hasn't had their partner help them get an arm into a jacket?
Better?
Not really - I've seen that happen to cyclists a third his age. It's not like there isn't plenty of evidence of his cognitive decline, it just seems anything that isn't perfect is now seized upon.
Fair point. He has had a nice break from the limelight recovering from covid. I'm sure he'll come back refreshed and give us some more teleprompter magic moments.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
Not really - I've seen that happen to cyclists a third his age. It's not like there isn't plenty of evidence of his cognitive decline, it just seems anything that isn't perfect is now seized upon.
Spot on.
It's cheap - like picking on Trump for his physical appearance or inability to walk down a ramp easily. It's bloody annoying, we should be far more concerned about his ability to actually construct a coherent thought rather than a helicopter blowing a jacket arm away.
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@stodders said in US Politics:
He put himself in that position.
To be fair to the bloke, from what I've seen of early stage dementia, the person affected is often (though not always) the person least capable of recognising it...
(I hope my distant armchair diagnosis is entirely wrong, but...)
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