Springboks v All Blacks I
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You can look at individual pieces of play as much as you want, but the reality is the Boks played basic rugby pretty well. They didn’t have to be that good and were never looking like losing. As many decisions that went against NZ, there were many that went against SA.
This was never a close game and not decided by officiating by a looong way. Without the Boks playing that well
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@Catogrande said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
You can look at individual pieces of play as much as you want, but the reality is the Boks played basic rugby pretty well. They didn’t have to be that good and were never looking like losing. As many decisions that went against NZ, there were many that went against SA.
This was never a close game and not decided by officiating by a looong way. Without the Boks playing that well
And that's the thing. Bok losses in SA to NZ were generally because NZ stepped up and played really well. Boks didn't really have to dig deep. That's what should alarm NZ coaches and players.
NZ aren't making teams raise their game to beat them. In fact, most opponents are probably happy to give NZ the ball to attack with at the moment and defend patiently (because NZ's attack aside from individual magic or a Savea inside pass is non existent), knowing they'll make a mistake, gift a penalty or kick it away aimlessly.
I've rarely if ever seen such a toothless AB attack. Opposition defences aren't stressed enough to create the space to attack into. And ABs kicking and kick/chase game is not forcing any mistakes from which to attack in the broken field.
So many areas to look at. Foster needs to focus on 1 or 2 this week to give the team half a chance next week. Lots of ball catching practice this week I imagine!
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@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Senatla got 4 weeks in our CC for the same thing on Fassi.It's bloody dangerous practice. More risk of serious harm than an inadvertent high shot
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@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Tim But then after that, he came right and put the SA prop under pressure. Is it a concentration thing?
First scrum with this AB pack, and that Bok pack with Angus’s calling, is always likely to cause initial scrum instability. Many good refs make allowances.
Just rewatching. I'd be interested in @NTA view, but it looked to me as though Kitshoff pulled that down.
In which case, file with kickable penalty against PSDT for non-release on first Marx jackal, and non-penalty for Cane jackal which AG missed and penalised him for fishing on deck.
Will review today. Was running a women's 7s tournament all yesterday and only managed to get the Wallabies game watched.
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@sparky said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
He doesn't have a fucking clue. Totally deluded.
He's not wrong about the Bok kick chasers waving their hands looking to slap the ball back. Arendse, and Kolbe, both do this.
Mapimpi in general is a very good kick chaser, but he attempts to catch the ball. He's in control of his jump. Not reckless.
Aside from that, I think I watched a different game to Foster. 🙈
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@Smuts said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@SidBarret didn’t say it did? But even your cherry-picked examples looked like poor responses to pressure applied in those phases.
The Frizell offside at sacked Bok lineout 5m from line was entirely self inflicted.
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@Chester-Draws said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Higgins said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter I just watching through the game again and I think you are being a little tricky with the truth. For example in the 20-30 minute period Beaudie received the ball as 1st receiver at either set piece or phase play only 3 times. Plenty of other players getting it at first receiver.
Beaudie is either in the second line or out the back during that period also.
He did some good things but he made some poor errors last night even with good ball. This is not even about pushing Mo’unga or any other player, but Beaudie hasn’t looked in control for a while and it sucks because he’s been a great player to watch. Ever since he was a rookie he’s been a high risk high reward player, but he learned to do that with control and and patience. He hasn’t played with control for a while now.
Dare we say it - ever since he went to Japan.
He's never been a good 10. He's a brilliant fullback (the only really good thing he did today, he did when marking at the back). These days he doesn't even shine very much at Super level.
We won't get any better until he is gone. I know it is horrible for a guy that has such individual talent, but he's not an international 10.
Our backline has never run smoothly with him in charge. Oh, we sometimes have flashes of individual brilliance, but never one that functions as a unit.
Boulderdash. If only we could see other games that BB hasn't been at 10 to get some form of comparison. Oh that's right, we have. It's exactly the same (if not worse) when RM is at 10. Same with DMac as well. None of them seem to have any idea about what to do under Foster. You have to blend that brilliant instinctive talent with the right tactics. It's not happening and it's frustrating as all hell to see us getting so little out of these 2 players. But obviously that doesn't just apply to them. It's the whole freaking backline. It's a structural issue.
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Boulderdash. If only we could see other games that BB hasn't been at 10 to get some form of comparison. Oh that's right, we have. It's exactly the same (if not worse) when RM is at 10. Same with DMac as well. None of them seem to have any idea about what to do under Foster. You have to blend that brilliant instinctive talent with the right tactics. It's not happening and it's frustrating as all hell to see us getting so little out of these 2 players. But obviously that doesn't just apply to them. It's the whole freaking backline. It's a structural issue.
and rush defense has really destroyed time and space for attacking players. Rugby is moving back into a grindfest - getting players into time and space is increasingly difficult.
We haven't recognised this, and want to run teams off their feet, when it's just no longer viable with the current way the game is reffed. You may get this if all refs had instructions to not stop for injuries - but that has legal risks. So, you get big munters playing stop/start, and no chance of actually speeding things up to the point where the extra weight becomes a problem. So it's grinding set pieces and penalties.
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Tēnā koe. I'm visiting NZ from my home in Sydney for the first time in several years this week and am writing to you from my hotel room in Christchurch. Over breakfast this morning and at the bar last night, I strained my ears to over-hear conversations about 'Bring On Razor', but all the talk was of the Commonwealth Games or, of all sports, golf - which I'm told is experiencing a renaissance here. No sign of roaming lynch squads, which could be a healthy sign for NZ rugby or, alternatively, that the public has given up.
I did note, however, that the front cover of the NZ Herald this morning is plastered with a full-page editorial calling for Foster to be flushed, although in more restrained terms than that: "A decent man who is out of his depth in a brutal business," was the chosen phrase for the death sentence from the anonymous editorial bench. It was just not five defeats out of six matches, the Herald opines, but the manner of the defeats. "Foster's men are too often cluttered and confused in the execution of their roles." This seems to be a nice way of saying they are playing like headless chooks. Which raises the question of why it took them three years to work that out.
On the plane on the way across the Ta$man, I caught up with the Argentina-Wallabies game and had a premonition of the Bledisloe Cup travelling in the other direction this year. The Wallabies played with real rhythm and intent, as did Los Pumas. There is certainly room for argument whether the likes of Hunter Paisami and Jordan Petaia are better players than their All Black opposites, but there is no doubt in my mind that they are better coached. And that is, and has always been, the problem.
It's really not rocket science. New Zealand Rugby made a catastrophic error in appointing Foster. He may be a nice chap, but he is not an innovator and does not have the imagination to take the game forward. As countless others have pointed out, he's like a hack chef who inherited a five-star restaurant and never changed the menu. NZR need to get the cheque book out now and pay Foster out. It seems they almost certainly will at this point.. But that it was allowed to get this far is an indictment on the entire administration.
OK, I had better go and do some real work.
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@His-Bobness “ It was just not five defeats out of six matches, the Herald opines, but the manner of the defeats.”
It took the lapdog NZ rugby press time, but they’ve finaly reached the conclusion that the Fern, mostly, has had for a fair few years. But at least they got there!
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@His-Bobness said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
It's really not rocket science. New Zealand Rugby made a catastrophic error in appointing Foster. He may be a nice chap, but he is not an innovator and does not have the imagination to take the game forward. As countless others have pointed out, he's like a hack chef who inherited a five-star restaurant and never changed the menu.
Goddamn brilliant analogy.
I'll die in my ditch alone on this, but I can understand the initial Foster appointment because of the historic success. It's the reappointment last year that I was absolutely dirty on.
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@His-Bobness Silverfern royalty. Good to see you back ☺️
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@BartMan yeah scrums are a concern, however the only positive I can see is there aren't a huge number of scrums in the game nowadays, lineouts are 3 or 4 times more likely, and up until the Irish series we had a decent lineout...
But like you say, a defensive scrum on our own line might be time to get another strong drink!
We were getting pinged far too often, just not good enough. Add 2 not releasing penalties and Angus almost becomes the Boer MoM!
Just takes 1 bad scrum to lose a test, we had 4 penalties against in the first half alone? Bowers knee to ground pedantic though, that was good work to keep scrum up after slipping. Shouldn't be penalised for that!
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We’ll….I had been loosing enjoyment watching the abs and was honestly looking forward to the npc…and then the strongest Otago team in years lost….
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@BartMan said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@BartMan yeah scrums are a concern, however the only positive I can see is there aren't a huge number of scrums in the game nowadays, lineouts are 3 or 4 times more likely, and up until the Irish series we had a decent lineout...
But like you say, a defensive scrum on our own line might be time to get another strong drink!
We were getting pinged far too often, just not good enough. Add 2 not releasing penalties and Angus almost becomes the Boer MoM!
Just takes 1 bad scrum to lose a test, we had 4 penalties against in the first half alone? Bowers knee to ground pedantic though, that was good work to keep scrum up after slipping. Shouldn't be penalised for that!
At least Gardner was consistent when he penalised Nyakane for putting his knee down.
All we ask for is consistency after all.
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@BartMan said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@BartMan yeah scrums are a concern, however the only positive I can see is there aren't a huge number of scrums in the game nowadays, lineouts are 3 or 4 times more likely, and up until the Irish series we had a decent lineout...
But like you say, a defensive scrum on our own line might be time to get another strong drink!
We were getting pinged far too often, just not good enough. Add 2 not releasing penalties and Angus almost becomes the Boer MoM!
Just takes 1 bad scrum to lose a test, we had 4 penalties against in the first half alone? Bowers knee to ground pedantic though, that was good work to keep scrum up after slipping. Shouldn't be penalised for that!
So of the props out there in the squad, who would you start at tighthead next week?
I imagine Owen Franks isn't getting a late call up 😁
