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@booboo said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@booboo said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@booboo said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@Victor-Meldrew said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
Attention seeking moron
Obviously a bigot
Nah, just a common-or-garden moron I'd say. Totally on the side of the blood transfusion staff on this one, this guy was just being a dick to get some attention. A medical form asking if you're pregnant is about as inoffensive as you can get, but this numpty decideds to pretend he's shocked by the question, refuses to fill it in and probably makes a bloody scene about it. And then he calls a reporter so he can have a whinge about how outraged he is about the whole thing. I'm sure the nurses taking blood have better things to do than deal with this kind of idiot. Fuck off Leslie, and no you can't have a cup of tea and a biscuit before you go.
Do you think the question, asking a male if he was pregbant, was fair?
Seriously? The question is obviously ridiculously provocative and intended to cause offense.
I think you should aim your indignance at the idiots who asked the question.
It's part of the bullshit trans dogma that needs to be called out and stopped.
Have I fallen through a wormhole into the land of perpertual outrage?
I went for an x-ray not long ago, there was a form that asked if I was pregnant. Do you reckon that was deliberately provocative too? FFS
Actually, I'll back down here. I reckon I've filled out forms (xray, blood donation) asking if I'm preggeramams (I wasn't).
As you were.
respect for that
@booboo said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
Stil ... the whole pregnant man thing needs some serious readdressing
Yeah, think that's probably what this guy was thinking, but totally misplaced IMO
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@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
In what way is having a question asking if you're pregnant on a medical form a lack of common sense?
It's not. Being required to answer the question is.
Maybe if it was a form specifically for 66 year old men, but it wasn't, it was for everyone.
Do you think they should have separate forms for men and women (and then subforms for pre-and post- menopause women etc.) even though there's no medical reason, just in case it offends some snowflake duffer. Or maybe a bit of, y'know, common sense would suggest that you keep it simple and have one form.
Again, it's got sod all to do with the questions on the form. It's the process around the form which demands an answer.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
Have I fallen through a wormhole into the land of perpertual outrage?
No, but the folks at the Scottish Blood Transfusion Service obviously have.
They seem to be the only calm ones in this whole nonsense
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@Victor-Meldrew said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
In what way is having a question asking if you're pregnant on a medical form a lack of common sense?
It's not. Being required to answer the question is.
Maybe if it was a form specifically for 66 year old men, but it wasn't, it was for everyone.
Do you think they should have separate forms for men and women (and then subforms for pre-and post- menopause women etc.) even though there's no medical reason, just in case it offends some snowflake duffer. Or maybe a bit of, y'know, common sense would suggest that you keep it simple and have one form.
Again, it's got sod all to do with the questions on the form. It's the process around the form which demands an answer.
So should the process be more like
"All volunteers wishing to donate blood have to fill out the form, and should complete all questions"
or
"All volunteers wishing to donate blood have to fill out the form, and should complete all questions except for the ones which they don't feel are applicable to them". And then have to deal with people saying "the question about injecting drugs isn't applicable to me..." and lots of other nonsenseI say we go the common sense route and just say answer all the questions please
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I'm not going to read the article. Because... it looks like a typically ridiculous article from one of the abominations which are UK media.
But....
From my understanding, there was a question on a form "Are you Pregnant?"
Fair enough.
If a man (biological male, person without uterus, whatever) was filling out the form, as I believe is the scenario...-
Sure, leave the answer field blank, or give the obvious answer "No", whatever.
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If that person then went and whinged to the media about that question existing... what a fluffybunny.
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If the situation is rather that the organisation supplying the form, with the intent of information-gathering before providing a medical procedure... refused to provide that medical procedure based on his refusal to answer that question...
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- Both (him?) and the organisation - fluffybunnies. Just... there's no need for... fucking any of it. As soon as the situation arises.... HIm: Tick "no". Them: Assume "no", based on his dick.
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- Fucking... just don't be dicks. (Pun not originally inteneded).
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@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@Victor-Meldrew said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
In what way is having a question asking if you're pregnant on a medical form a lack of common sense?
It's not. Being required to answer the question is.
Maybe if it was a form specifically for 66 year old men, but it wasn't, it was for everyone.
Do you think they should have separate forms for men and women (and then subforms for pre-and post- menopause women etc.) even though there's no medical reason, just in case it offends some snowflake duffer. Or maybe a bit of, y'know, common sense would suggest that you keep it simple and have one form.
Again, it's got sod all to do with the questions on the form. It's the process around the form which demands an answer.
So should the process be more like
"All volunteers wishing to donate blood have to fill out the form, and should complete all questions"
or
"All volunteers wishing to donate blood have to fill out the form, and should complete all questions except for the ones which they don't feel are applicable to them". And then have to deal with people saying "the question about injecting drugs isn't applicable to me..." and lots of other nonsenseBut that's not a process for giving blood is it? That's just a set of rules for filling in a form. The actual process starts when someone wants to give blood and ends when the blood is taken and/or given to someone else. And the rules around the form have fucked the process. (as an aside, I'd love to hear their thinking about criticalities in their process).
I say we go the common sense route and just say answer all the questions please.
At the end of the day, if the Scottish Blood Transfusion Service want to set out to cause offence, lose blood donations and court bad publicity as they deem their rules for filling in forms are more important, then fine.
But they are simply showing they have lost sight of their core role - getting people to give blood to save lives - and think form-filling and "inclusiveness" more important.
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Honestly, it just sounds like they've put in place a simple form with all the questions they need, and the most simple process imaginable (ask the volunteers to fill in the form).
And yet somehow, someone has found a way to be offended by it.
People are jumping at shadows imagining some trans agenda behind this. Like I said, that question has been on medical forms for decades, it's only in this age of hair-trigger outrage that it's somehow in a newspaper.
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@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
Like I said, that question has been on medical forms for decades, it's only in this age of hair-trigger outrage that it's somehow in a newspaper.
You have to be remarkably obtuse to not understand that the issue isn't that the question exists, it's that a person to whom it can't possibly apply is forced to answer it or the service is removed. All in the name of "inclusiveness".
Six weeks ago I had a MRI and recall the radiologist asking if I had metal in my body and confirming the body part requiring imaging. There were signs that said if you may be pregnant to advise the staff. Although I'm not as old as the individual in the article, the radiologist didn't think to ask if I may be knocked up. Other than that lack of inclusiveness she seemed competent.
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Ok, so in that case there was a sign asking you to tell the staff. Sometimes there is a form they ask you to fill in. I've had to fill in forms for an x-ray where it asked if I was pregnant. (I wasn't).
Do you think I should have been offended by that form? Should I have refused to fill in that question?
If I'd returned the form and told them that I refuse to answer some questions on principle because I don't think they're applicable, the staff would have rolled their eyes and thought I was being incredibly obtuse and an absolute dick.
Edit: and in case you're thinking they'd still give me the x-ray anyway, yes they probably would, but providing a medical service isn't the same as accepting a donation. I'm sure they're processing hundreds of donations a day in the blood centre, they probably wouldn't have time or patience for dealing with outrage seekers who refuse to answer some questions because they're offended by a form
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@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
Ok, so in that case there was a sign asking you to tell the staff. Sometimes there is a form they ask you to fill in. I've had to fill in forms for an x-ray where it asked if I was pregnant. (I wasn't).
Do you think I should have been offended by that form? Should I have refused to fill in that question?
Why would I care what you did?
If I'd returned the form and told them that I refuse to answer some questions on principle because I don't think they're applicable, the staff would have rolled their eyes and thought I was being incredibly obtuse and an absolute dick.
Edit: and in case you're thinking they'd still give me the x-ray anyway, yes they probably would, but providing a medical service isn't the same as accepting a donation. I'm sure they're processing hundreds of donations a day in the blood centre, they probably wouldn't have time or patience for dealing with outrage seekers who refuse to answer some questions because they're offended by a form
I don't recall seeing public appeals for more people to have unnecessary medical procedures, I do know the Red Cross routinely asks for donations when stocks are low.
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@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
Honestly, it just sounds like they've put in place a simple form with all the questions they need, and the most simple process imaginable (ask the volunteers to fill in the form).
And yet somehow, someone has found a way to be offended by it.
People are jumping at shadows imagining some trans agenda behind this. Like I said, that question has been on medical forms for decades, it's only in this age of hair-trigger outrage that it's somehow in a newspaper.
Did you actually read the article ?
They didn't "put in place a simple form with all the questions they need" - they refused to take his blood as they demanded a 66 yr-old man tell them if he had been pregnant in the last 6 months. And again, the question has been added due to a new "inclusiveness" policy - zero, zip, nada to do with it having "been on medical forms for decades"
But hey, if you think doing stuff which is offensive to a bloke who's donated blood for decades is "hair-trigger outrage" and acceptable, fair enough - I mean they must been turning away blood donors in droves. Oh, wait...
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@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
If I'd returned the form and told them that I refuse to answer some questions on principle because I don't think they're applicable, the staff would have rolled their eyes and thought I was being incredibly obtuse and an absolute dick.
So much for "inclusiveness" by hospital staff then, eh?
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Sure these last few posts show just how truly toxic this debate has become. You can't seem to have an opinion on this (either way) without people firing up at you.
@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
A 5ml donation of common sense would have avoided this whole absurd story.
It's a blood donation form. Fill in the form, then donate blood. The only person not showing common sense is some old duffer who refused to fill in the form, because he wanted to make a ridiculous point. Sure, some of the questions on the form aren't applicable to you. Answer it anyway, we've all had medical forms asking the same thing and it's not a big deal.
People make bigger deals about everything than is required every single day. Who knows what sort of a day he was having - maybe he chatted to somebody who set him off and put him in a mood?
The staff don't have time for discussions with outrage junkie who wants to find a reason to be offended. What if everyone said "I'm not filling that in, you can tell from looking at me if I'm male / female" / "do I look under 18 to you?" . Fill in the form, or don't and fuck off, simple.
Mate the guy is clearly not pregnant. Why can't the NHS staff just have a little laugh at it, tick the box for him, take the blood and everybody moves on? And they get they blood they need. Everybody wins.
And then, to cap it all, he goes and calls a reporter and share this faux-outrage madness with the world.
Think you need to think about this a bit more. It's the Gulf insider. What on earth is that? This looks more to me like somebody looking for an anti-west story and finding it. To be fair, it wouldn't be hard these days. I can't imagine how form refusal chap called the Gulf Insider to unload his guts about this. If he wanted to make a big deal and go nuts, surely it'd be The Mail.
Common sense is truly in short supply.
@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
They seem to be the only calm ones in this whole nonsense
Calm ones? They refused to take blood from a willing donor (who had put himself out to attend the donation drive) over his politics.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that point.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
As an aside, what do you put down as you're ethnicity on public forms?
(I tick the right box if it's medical, but otherwise it's "Other" and Pacific islander)
Whatever is the most applicable. European / British / Irish / Other White etc etc.
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@antipodean said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
Ok, so in that case there was a sign asking you to tell the staff. Sometimes there is a form they ask you to fill in. I've had to fill in forms for an x-ray where it asked if I was pregnant. (I wasn't).
Do you think I should have been offended by that form? Should I have refused to fill in that question?
Why would I care what you did?
Same reason you seem to care a lot what this bloke did?If I'd returned the form and told them that I refuse to answer some questions on principle because I don't think they're applicable, the staff would have rolled their eyes and thought I was being incredibly obtuse and an absolute dick.
Edit: and in case you're thinking they'd still give me the x-ray anyway, yes they probably would, but providing a medical service isn't the same as accepting a donation. I'm sure they're processing hundreds of donations a day in the blood centre, they probably wouldn't have time or patience for dealing with outrage seekers who refuse to answer some questions because they're offended by a form
I don't recall seeing public appeals for more people to have unnecessary medical procedures, I do know the Red Cross routinely asks for donations when stocks are low.
Yup, but they've still got to follow process like collecting details of donor's medical status etc.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
If I'd returned the form and told them that I refuse to answer some questions on principle because I don't think they're applicable, the staff would have rolled their eyes and thought I was being incredibly obtuse and an absolute dick.
So much for "inclusiveness" by hospital staff then, eh?
Eh?
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@MajorRage said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
Sure these last few posts show just how truly toxic this debate has become. You can't seem to have an opinion on this (either way) without people firing up at you.
@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
A 5ml donation of common sense would have avoided this whole absurd story.
It's a blood donation form. Fill in the form, then donate blood. The only person not showing common sense is some old duffer who refused to fill in the form, because he wanted to make a ridiculous point. Sure, some of the questions on the form aren't applicable to you. Answer it anyway, we've all had medical forms asking the same thing and it's not a big deal.
People make bigger deals about everything than is required every single day. Who knows what sort of a day he was having - maybe he chatted to somebody who set him off and put him in a mood?
OK, fair enough, we don't know what was going on for him, just judging from a small article on an obscure news source
The staff don't have time for discussions with outrage junkie who wants to find a reason to be offended. What if everyone said "I'm not filling that in, you can tell from looking at me if I'm male / female" / "do I look under 18 to you?" . Fill in the form, or don't and fuck off, simple.
Mate the guy is clearly not pregnant. Why can't the NHS staff just have a little laugh at it, tick the box for him, take the blood and everybody moves on? And they get they blood they need. Everybody wins.
Well we don't really know what happened in there. My guess is because they've got hundreds of people filling in the forms, and they just want to check that people have completed them and process them so they can move onto the next one. Maybe the form is because every other person in there wants to have a discussion about pregnancy or drugs or sexual history or travel or whatever and the staff don't have time to deal with it. Maybe he was being obstructive or argumentative, who knows?
And then, to cap it all, he goes and calls a reporter and share this faux-outrage madness with the world.
Think you need to think about this a bit more. It's the Gulf insider. What on earth is that? This looks more to me like somebody looking for an anti-west story and finding it. To be fair, it wouldn't be hard these days. I can't imagine how form refusal chap called the Gulf Insider to unload his guts about this. If he wanted to make a big deal and go nuts, surely it'd be The Mail.
Et voila
Common sense is truly in short supply.
@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
They seem to be the only calm ones in this whole nonsense
Calm ones? They refused to take blood from a willing donor (who had put himself out to attend the donation drive) over his politics.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that point.
His politics? Get a grip. Some bloke went to donate blood, then refused to fill in the form. They said "just fill in the form please" , he said "No, I'm too outraged by this generic medical form, I'm off to call the Gulf Insider and the Daily Mail"
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@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@Victor-Meldrew said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
If I'd returned the form and told them that I refuse to answer some questions on principle because I don't think they're applicable, the staff would have rolled their eyes and thought I was being incredibly obtuse and an absolute dick.
So much for "inclusiveness" by hospital staff then, eh?
Eh?
If the hospital staff rolled their eyes and thought you a complete dick because you took exception to obviously dumb questions, they are the ones with the problem - not you.
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@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
His politics? Get a grip. Some bloke went to donate blood, then refused to fill in the form. They said "just fill in the form please" , he said "No, I'm too outraged by this generic medical form, I'm off to call the Gulf Insider and the Daily Mail"
Doesn't help when you make stuff up. From the article:
This time around, there was a question I hadn’t seen before: ‘Are you pregnant, or have you been in the last six months?’ which required a yes or no answer. ‘I pointed out to the staff that it was impossible for me to be in that position (pregnancy) but I was told that I would need to answer, otherwise I couldn’t give blood.
‘‘I told them that was stupid and that if I had to leave, I wouldn’t be back, and that was it, I got on my bike and cycled away.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@Victor-Meldrew said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
@gibbon-rib said in F off with the damn PC Brigade:
If I'd returned the form and told them that I refuse to answer some questions on principle because I don't think they're applicable, the staff would have rolled their eyes and thought I was being incredibly obtuse and an absolute dick.
So much for "inclusiveness" by hospital staff then, eh?
Eh?
If the hospital staff rolled their eyes and thought you a complete dick because you took exception to obviously dumb questions, they are the ones with the problem - not you.
Checking if someone is pregnant before an x-ray is a bloody important question. If I saw that on a form I wouldn't think it was dumb, I'd just know that it was intended for other people. And then I'd tick "No" and be completely unoffended by it.
It's been happening for decades. Why are people now suddenly getting outraged about it? Do they need to make different versions of every form, so that men or post-menopausal women, or the infertile, don't get offended? That really would be ludicrous.
I thought you blokes were generally against absurd outrage over trivial things
F off with the damn PC Brigade