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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
Did prepoll last night. Some fucking whack jobs running in my electorate
Got my democracy sausage around lunch time. Bit of a queue, but moved quickly enough and nice weather so in no rush.
Looked at who I would preference from least irritated by to eventual preferred winner, ensuring Greens go last. There are some genuine weirdos running. Not least of which are the Informed Medical Options Party, named as accurately as the Democratic People's Republic of Congo.
Click the link and check out the dumb shit they advocate for.
What was the vibe for Pocock when you went out?
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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
Click the link and check out the dumb shit they advocate for.
Ah yes. I had some antivax clown called "Bosi" who might as well be them.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
Did prepoll last night. Some fucking whack jobs running in my electorate
Got my democracy sausage around lunch time. Bit of a queue, but moved quickly enough and nice weather so in no rush.
Looked at who I would preference from least irritated by to eventual preferred winner, ensuring Greens go last. There are some genuine weirdos running. Not least of which are the Informed Medical Options Party, named as accurately as the Democratic People's Republic of Congo.
Click the link and check out the dumb shit they advocate for.
What was the vibe for Pocock when you went out?
He's got a lot of supporters on the ground. Whether that translates is something else, but this feels like the best possible chance for a high profile independent.
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Well that was pretty emphatic. But thoroughly deserved, given the wretched performance over the last few years from this gurning coalfelcher and his rancid brew of corruption, incompetence and cruelty. Bit sad that most of us are happier about who's lost than who's won, but I'll take it.
Frydenburg losing, which looks likely, is a disaster for the Libs. Their immediate future looks bleak. If they pick Dutton as leader then the old broad church Liberal party is surely dead and buried. He might pull back some votes from UAP / ON, but can't see them winning back any of those blue ribbon seats.
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@gibbon-rib this sort of loss the best thing for the liberal party. If they're smart, they might use the next 3 years to start getting further away from Barnaby Joyce, and find other allies on the crossbench.
Not with the spud in charge tho.
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I'm in Goldstein, where Tim Wilson lost to a "teal" independent. Wilson spent the whole campaign whining that it was a campaign funded and run by outsiders, coming into sensible conservative bayside and imposing their Brunswick values. Absolute horseshit (which to be fair is very much on brand for Wilson), you just had to walk around the area and count the corflutes and tshirts to know it was a big community campaign.
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@gibbon-rib this sort of loss the best thing for the liberal party. If they're smart, they might use the next 3 years to start getting further away from Barnaby Joyce, and find other allies on the crossbench.
Not with the spud in charge tho.
I hope they do. But they might go the other way, move further right and more trumpy (which would move them away from their traditional small-l-liberal and less small-c-conservative origins).
They've got a similar dilemma to the one Labor's faced for a while, trying to keep the different parts of their base happy. But they've only got themselves to blame for the climate change component of that, they happily doubled down on the science denial for years and they're paying the price now.
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@gibbon-rib might be the end of two-party politics for a bit
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Meh, Queenslanders are used to pollies like Bob Katter, Barnaby Joyce, Clive Palmer and Pauline The Racist Chipshop Lady. The Greens are the reserved, sensible option next to that lot.I don't think it's that surprising. The biggest issue by far this election is climate change change, and government corruption was a big one too. If that's your biggest concern who else are you going vote for if you don't have a decent independent in your area? Labor are a vacuum, they're too scared to have any policies in case they get weaponised against them. The rest of the ballot sheet is probably Animal Justice, Legalise Cannabis and The Chinese Are Coming To Vaxx Your Kids.
Plus the greens aren't going to win.
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@gibbon-rib said in Aussie Politics:
Meh, Queenslanders are used to pollies like Bob Katter, Barnaby Joyce, Clive Palmer and Pauline The Racist Chipshop Lady. The Greens are the reserved, sensible option next to that lot.
Katter et al, as bad as they are, aren't calling for Australia to destroy its economy.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@gibbon-rib said in Aussie Politics:
Meh, Queenslanders are used to pollies like Bob Katter, Barnaby Joyce, Clive Palmer and Pauline The Racist Chipshop Lady. The Greens are the reserved, sensible option next to that lot.
Katter et al, as bad as they are, aren't calling for Australia to destroy its economy.
Debatable. Clive Palmer thinks he can unilaterally cap mortgage interest rates, and mad Bob would probably spend half the national budget on new roads for Kennedy.
Exxon, Chevron etc paying $0 tax isn't a great look
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
Yeah, that's the mood in Goldstein, we're just furious about how touchy-feely and woke Scomo and Dutton have become
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@gibbon-rib said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@gibbon-rib said in Aussie Politics:
Meh, Queenslanders are used to pollies like Bob Katter, Barnaby Joyce, Clive Palmer and Pauline The Racist Chipshop Lady. The Greens are the reserved, sensible option next to that lot.
Katter et al, as bad as they are, aren't calling for Australia to destroy its economy.
Debatable. Clive Palmer thinks he can unilaterally cap mortgage interest rates, and mad Bob would probably spend half the national budget on new roads for Kennedy.
UAP aren't going to get any Senate seats and Craig Kelly has lost Hughes. So not sure what influence Clive Palmer has here. Katter is one seat which he wins on first preference.
Exxon, Chevron etc paying $0 tax isn't a great look
Well that's bullshit. They do pay tax, unless you're one of the horde that think profit tax is the only tax, and investment and employment means nothing.
It is stated Greens policy to shut down all coal mines in Australia by 2030. Bandt even had the gall to pretend the budget would be better off. No mention about royalties, balance of trade, etc.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@gibbon-rib said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@gibbon-rib said in Aussie Politics:
Meh, Queenslanders are used to pollies like Bob Katter, Barnaby Joyce, Clive Palmer and Pauline The Racist Chipshop Lady. The Greens are the reserved, sensible option next to that lot.
Katter et al, as bad as they are, aren't calling for Australia to destroy its economy.
Debatable. Clive Palmer thinks he can unilaterally cap mortgage interest rates, and mad Bob would probably spend half the national budget on new roads for Kennedy.
UAP aren't going to get any Senate seats and Craig Kelly has lost Hughes. So not sure what influence Clive Palmer has here. Katter is one seat which he wins on first preference.
Exxon, Chevron etc paying $0 tax isn't a great look
Well that's bullshit. They do pay tax, unless you're one of the horde that think profit tax is the only tax, and investment and employment means nothing.
It is stated Greens policy to shut down all coal mines in Australia by 2030. Bandt even had the gall to pretend the budget would be better off. No mention about royalties, balance of trade, etc.
If you're a fan of extremist climate policies, then can I recommend the LNP's sitting in the corner cross-legged with your eyes closed chanting "Technology not taxes" for 15 years?
I'm not saying the Greens are all that, I'm not one of the 12%. But while they'll have a voice from the crossbench they're not going to the ones making the decisions. I find the fact that 12% went for them a lot less mad than 35% sticking with a party that's spent the last 9 years wallowing in corruption, undermining free speech and freedom of the press, and whose climate policies are literally worse than doing nothing. And that's not to mention the 9% who voted for the absolute cookers in the UAP / One Nation.
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@gibbon-rib said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@gibbon-rib said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@gibbon-rib said in Aussie Politics:
Meh, Queenslanders are used to pollies like Bob Katter, Barnaby Joyce, Clive Palmer and Pauline The Racist Chipshop Lady. The Greens are the reserved, sensible option next to that lot.
Katter et al, as bad as they are, aren't calling for Australia to destroy its economy.
Debatable. Clive Palmer thinks he can unilaterally cap mortgage interest rates, and mad Bob would probably spend half the national budget on new roads for Kennedy.
UAP aren't going to get any Senate seats and Craig Kelly has lost Hughes. So not sure what influence Clive Palmer has here. Katter is one seat which he wins on first preference.
Exxon, Chevron etc paying $0 tax isn't a great look
Well that's bullshit. They do pay tax, unless you're one of the horde that think profit tax is the only tax, and investment and employment means nothing.
It is stated Greens policy to shut down all coal mines in Australia by 2030. Bandt even had the gall to pretend the budget would be better off. No mention about royalties, balance of trade, etc.
If you're a fan of extremist climate policies, then can I recommend the LNP's sitting in the corner cross-legged with your eyes closed chanting "Technology not taxes" for 15 years?
I'm not saying the Greens are all that, I'm not one of the 12%. But while theyll have a voice from the crossbench they're not going to the ones making the decisions. I find the fact that 12% went for them a lot less mad than 35% sticking with a party that's spent the last 9 years wallowing in corruption, undermining free speech and freedom of the press, and whose climate policies are literally worse than doing nothing. And that's not to mention the 9% who voted for the absolute cookers in the UAP / One Nation.
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Is that the same LNP that committed to net zero by 2050? You do realise that taxing your way to net zero means a drag on the economy?
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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@gibbon-rib said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@gibbon-rib said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@gibbon-rib said in Aussie Politics:
Meh, Queenslanders are used to pollies like Bob Katter, Barnaby Joyce, Clive Palmer and Pauline The Racist Chipshop Lady. The Greens are the reserved, sensible option next to that lot.
Katter et al, as bad as they are, aren't calling for Australia to destroy its economy.
Debatable. Clive Palmer thinks he can unilaterally cap mortgage interest rates, and mad Bob would probably spend half the national budget on new roads for Kennedy.
UAP aren't going to get any Senate seats and Craig Kelly has lost Hughes. So not sure what influence Clive Palmer has here. Katter is one seat which he wins on first preference.
Exxon, Chevron etc paying $0 tax isn't a great look
Well that's bullshit. They do pay tax, unless you're one of the horde that think profit tax is the only tax, and investment and employment means nothing.
It is stated Greens policy to shut down all coal mines in Australia by 2030. Bandt even had the gall to pretend the budget would be better off. No mention about royalties, balance of trade, etc.
If you're a fan of extremist climate policies, then can I recommend the LNP's sitting in the corner cross-legged with your eyes closed chanting "Technology not taxes" for 15 years?
I'm not saying the Greens are all that, I'm not one of the 12%. But while theyll have a voice from the crossbench they're not going to the ones making the decisions. I find the fact that 12% went for them a lot less mad than 35% sticking with a party that's spent the last 9 years wallowing in corruption, undermining free speech and freedom of the press, and whose climate policies are literally worse than doing nothing. And that's not to mention the 9% who voted for the absolute cookers in the UAP / One Nation.
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Is that the same LNP that committed to net zero by 2050? You do realise that taxing your way to net zero means a drag on the economy?
You do realise that committing to net zero in 30 years without a shadow of a shred of a plan about how to get there (other than chanting technology not taxes) is about as convincing as someone saying "make me the socceroos coach and I'll win the world cup by 2034"
We're miles away from meeting current modest commitments, and have no plan to change course. Not to mention that members of his own coalition are still saying net zero isn't settled, and the PM has a long track record of actively undermining climate change and general duplicity. Why would anyone take that "commitment" seriously?
The LNP policy of do nothing is already a drag on the economy. Business, particularly the energy sector, has been crying out for ages for clarity and leadership. Doing nothing means you need more drastic action later to get to the same target - failure to plan is not good for the economy, it's just means you're screwing the future economy harder.
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