internet/streaming
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@antipodean canned DHCP on the switch before I got the Google Wifi - already had the modem/router doing it in the original setup, then I moved everything downstream from Google master in order to share the same subnet. The AP I have is DHCP capable, but disabled as well.
Might start backing out IGMP and loop detection and see if that helps.
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@crucial said in internet/streaming:
If I read your OP correctly though, your problem is with the google mesh and the diagram shows that it is connected directly to the modem/router. The switch and old AP are piggybacked off the main mesh unit but could be disconnected to test mesh and/or connected directly to the modem/router as well. The main google mesh doesn't have to serve as the main router surely?
Correct. The headlines:
- Everything connected via LAN (switch) is working - the Google Mesh master is connected here as well and serving DHCP to everything requesting it (physical or wireless connection), tho most LAN devices have a static IP configured where they are able.
- That includes the devices connected to the old AP via wifi. My phone being one of them, it has received an IP from the pool.
- Only about half the devices trying to connect to the Google Mesh wifi are able to do so. My phone tries, but doesn't even reach auth/requestIP stage. Blocked lease? MAC mapping issue? Can't tell because the Mesh doesn't allow me to see ARP or allocations via anything except the Google Home app.
Google's explanation is that wired devices use a separate private network within the logical framework for routing, and that the wifi devices are detecting multiple networks.
On a network that was working fine up until a few days ago - with the odd restart required (like 3 in the last 2 years) for exactly the same hardware config....
Google last suggested:
- Disconnect the switch, restart everything, and see if wifi works as expected
- Make sure your Mesh network name (SSID) and password don't have special characters in them....
Again: this is a setup that has been 99% OK until now. sigh
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@nta said in internet/streaming:
Disconnect the switch, restart everything, and see if wifi works as expected
Make sure your Mesh network name (SSID) and password don't have special characters in them....TBH the second one sounds like they're reaching. I don't think the switch is the issue either - running a wifi-only network is asking for trouble, even with a shitty VDSL connection like mine being the limited factor in terms of speed of external resources.
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@nta said in internet/streaming:
@nta said in internet/streaming:
Disconnect the switch, restart everything, and see if wifi works as expected
Make sure your Mesh network name (SSID) and password don't have special characters in them....TBH the second one sounds like they're reaching. I don't think the switch is the issue either - running a wifi-only network is asking for trouble, even with a shitty VDSL connection like mine being the limited factor in terms of speed of external resources.
Multiple networks shouldn't be an issue though. Devices are smart enough to deal with that.
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@nta said in internet/streaming:
On a network that was working fine up until a few days ago - with the odd restart required (like 3 in the last 2 years) for exactly the same hardware config....
Google last suggested:Disconnect the switch, restart everything, and see if wifi works as expected
Make sure your Mesh network name (SSID) and password don't have special characters in them....Again: this is a setup that has been 99% OK until now. sigh
Then something has likely changed, do you permit pushed updates?
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@crucial said in internet/streaming:
Multiple networks shouldn't be an issue though. Devices are smart enough to deal with that.
Exactly what I said - words to the effect of "if you can't handle routing through basic multicast, can I assume nobody anywhere has ever plugged a network switch into a Google Wifi?"
Has there been an automatic firmware update on the mesh by any chance?
Not that I know of. The version on the master looks about 6 months old if reddit is to be believed.
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@antipodean said in internet/streaming:
@nta said in internet/streaming:
On a network that was working fine up until a few days ago - with the odd restart required (like 3 in the last 2 years) for exactly the same hardware config....
Google last suggested:Disconnect the switch, restart everything, and see if wifi works as expected
Make sure your Mesh network name (SSID) and password don't have special characters in them....Again: this is a setup that has been 99% OK until now. sigh
Then something has likely changed, do you permit pushed updates?
Not sure there is any way to stop the Google wifi updating.
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@antipodean said in internet/streaming:
Then something has likely changed, do you permit pushed updates?
So I figured out what changed - relaying it here for the benefit of you and @Crucial
We bought a Breville Air Purifier (bc daughter COVID) on Sunday. Got it home tried to hook up to the Mesh but it wouldn't go through.
One of the issues with adding Smart Devices via phone app is the device needs 2.4GHz and the phone can't be forced to used the 2.4GHz to connect it. If it's on the Mesh the phone takes 5GHz or nothing (apparently the Guest network forces 2.4GHz but whatever).
I didn't think anything of it, just thought I'd sort it out later. And within a couple of hours, the whole system had crapped a rabbit, so I forgot about the air purifier as I was occupied with doing work and trying to get internet back.
Here we are on Thursday, and my wife suggested I look at the air purifier again and see if something was amiss. The device wasn't on the app, it wasn't on the network, and there was no way I could see to make it "forget" the connection attempt from the limited buttons available (no, I didn't read the instructions).
Turned on my modem's 2.4GHz AP and gave it the same SSID and password as the Google Mesh main network. Hooked up the phone, ran through the smart device app connection piece, and voila! All the other smart devices and PCs etc. started to come back online. Shut down the modem AP, and tested everything else in the house on the Google Mesh. Looks good now.
There was no way to know the device was in limbo and creating the issue because I can't see under the hood of the Mesh, which is frustrating. The fact that the Mesh didn't reject the connection and block it completely didn't help, and neither did the reports I sent to Google Support.
Lesson learned - if you start hooking up a smart device, make sure that mofo connects!
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@nta That's interesting. I posted earlier about the issues with mesh and home devices that insist on 2.4
Sounds like Google Mesh isn't as smart as TP-Link which has updated the firmware to suck both signals into the network and backhauls them to the modem. That means that you can have your smart device talking at 2.4 to your phone on 5.
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@crucial said in internet/streaming:
Sounds like Google Mesh isn't as smart as TP-Link
Rapidly coming to that conclusion. Having had it now for nearly 2 years, this whole Mesh concept is fucking great. I think for your average user who just hooks up a Google Wifi to their modem or goes direct to fibre box, without any LAN downstream, it would be the shit.
How good would it be if you're renting? Take all the smart devices house to house and the network to run them is already in place.
However, my needs are a little more advanced, and yes some of my hardware needs updating (the Fritz!box is going soon as FTTN moves to SOS/ROC instead of just SRA), but not being able to see things like ARP and traffic monitoring under the hood is in the back of my mind.
The plus side is it Works With Google, and I'm all about Pixel phones, so that is pretty good. Having the two child boxes act as Google Home speakers is also a plus.
At least for now the modem is configured exactly the way Google wants it
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Thank fuck.
After 8 years living in what was a new suburb at the time, we're finally getting optic-fucking-fibre!
Was out for a walk the other day and a bunch of guys in hi-vis are pulling string through the pits in a nearby street. Confirmed they were prepping for fibre.
Later the same day another crew had turned the corner into my cul de sac and double-confirmed that we're "3-4 months" away from joining the early 21st century.
Fastest plan I've seen so far is Aussie Broadband @ ~600mbps but it is $149 a month... Might do some more research.
Aussie BB has the advantage of chucking the router and just plugging the Google Wifi straight into the fibre box, too.
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@nta said in internet/streaming:
@crucial said in internet/streaming:
@nta welcome to the past
piston wristed gibbon!
I see Chorus has 300Mbps plans for a paltry $60 a month. Fuck a duck.
300 is standard basic fibre in NZ now.
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@nta said in internet/streaming:
@crucial the standard here is more like 50 for a lot of plans, but 100 is becoming more common. ANyone with fibre available who doesn't take 100 is mental IMHO.
But while it was 100/40 at the start, a lot of RSPs are offering 100/20.
There’s zero reason to throttle upload except to create a premium for a better product
Edit: just checked and ours is 300/100 as a basic product
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@nta said in internet/streaming:
After 8 years living in what was a new suburb at the time, we're finally getting optic-fucking-fibre!
Envious. Very envious. Congrats 👏
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@nta said in internet/streaming:
@crucial said in internet/streaming:
@nta welcome to the past
piston wristed gibbon!
I see Chorus has 300Mbps plans for a paltry $60 a month. Fuck a duck.
to be fair, anything above 300 starts to run into wifi limitations. So there is that
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@nzzp said in internet/streaming:
@nta said in internet/streaming:
@crucial said in internet/streaming:
@nta welcome to the past
piston wristed gibbon!
I see Chorus has 300Mbps plans for a paltry $60 a month. Fuck a duck.
to be fair, anything above 300 starts to run into wifi limitations. So there is that
Not when you’re on LAN to your PC, lightning fast at 950/500 for $85 a month, no contract. Our mobile data is extortionate, but at leat our fibre is a really good deal
