Ukraine
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@victor-meldrew said in Ukraine:
@mariner4life said in Ukraine:
anyone else uncomfortable with Governments seizing private assets just because of where they are from?
Not comfortable, but as long as due process is followed and there's a right of independent appeal I think freezing assets might be necessary.
> I'm finding some of the pro-Ukraine stuff a bit childish, TBH. A symphony orchestra refusing to play Tchaikovsky is plain silly to me.
It does seem silly on its own. But when you think about it as as part of a global cancellation of Russia (that's the times we live in! ), it's part of a bigger cog. I can't get too upset about it, but I also see what they're doing, and you wonder of it all adds up to something useful in the end ?
Good job the internet wasn't invented by the Russians.
Or the telephone.
Or the wheel.
Childish and pathetic.
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@mikethesnow said in Ukraine:
@victor-meldrew said in Ukraine:
@mariner4life said in Ukraine:
anyone else uncomfortable with Governments seizing private assets just because of where they are from?
Not comfortable, but as long as due process is followed and there's a right of independent appeal I think freezing assets might be necessary.
> I'm finding some of the pro-Ukraine stuff a bit childish, TBH. A symphony orchestra refusing to play Tchaikovsky is plain silly to me.
It does seem silly on its own. But when you think about it as as part of a global cancellation of Russia (that's the times we live in! ), it's part of a bigger cog. I can't get too upset about it, but I also see what they're doing, and you wonder of it all adds up to something useful in the end ?
Good job the internet wasn't invented by the Russians.
Or the telephone.
Or the wheel.
Childish and pathetic.
I hear you, but I just don't know. Does it have any impact? Who knows. Does it have any downside? Basically zero.
It connects all Russians to the events at hand, in the same manner as the property repossession.
But I hear you, we will certainly only ban things that are irrelevant to us - qn back, why we should we do anything else???
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@mikethesnow said in Ukraine:
@victor-meldrew said in Ukraine:
@mariner4life said in Ukraine:
anyone else uncomfortable with Governments seizing private assets just because of where they are from?
Not comfortable, but as long as due process is followed and there's a right of independent appeal I think freezing assets might be necessary.
> I'm finding some of the pro-Ukraine stuff a bit childish, TBH. A symphony orchestra refusing to play Tchaikovsky is plain silly to me.
It does seem silly on its own. But when you think about it as as part of a global cancellation of Russia (that's the times we live in! ), it's part of a bigger cog. I can't get too upset about it, but I also see what they're doing, and you wonder of it all adds up to something useful in the end ?
Good job the internet wasn't invented by the Russians.
Or the telephone.
Or the wheel.
Childish and pathetic.
I hear you, but I just don't know. Does it have any impact? Who knows. Does it have any downside? Basically zero.
It connects all Russians to the events at hand, in the same manner as the property repossession.
But I hear you, we will certainly only ban things that are irrelevant to us - qn back, why we should we do anything else???
Play the man
Denounce Putin and his cronies
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@mikethesnow said in Ukraine:
Play the man
Denounce Putin and his cronies
Not long dead composers10/10
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@mikethesnow said in Ukraine:
@mikethesnow said in Ukraine:
@victor-meldrew said in Ukraine:
@mariner4life said in Ukraine:
anyone else uncomfortable with Governments seizing private assets just because of where they are from?
Not comfortable, but as long as due process is followed and there's a right of independent appeal I think freezing assets might be necessary.
> I'm finding some of the pro-Ukraine stuff a bit childish, TBH. A symphony orchestra refusing to play Tchaikovsky is plain silly to me.
It does seem silly on its own. But when you think about it as as part of a global cancellation of Russia (that's the times we live in! ), it's part of a bigger cog. I can't get too upset about it, but I also see what they're doing, and you wonder of it all adds up to something useful in the end ?
Good job the internet wasn't invented by the Russians.
Or the telephone.
Or the wheel.
Childish and pathetic.
I hear you, but I just don't know. Does it have any impact? Who knows. Does it have any downside? Basically zero.
It connects all Russians to the events at hand, in the same manner as the property repossession.
But I hear you, we will certainly only ban things that are irrelevant to us - qn back, why we should we do anything else???
Play the man
Denounce Putin and his cronies
Not long dead composersThey're not mutually exclusive proposals though!
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It does seem silly on its own. But when you think about it as as part of a global cancellation of Russia (that's the times we live in! ), it's part of a bigger cog. I can't get too upset about it, but I also see what they're doing, and you wonder of it all adds up to something useful in the end
I take your point. Just as as long as it doesn't get cringe-worthy I guess
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@victor-meldrew said in Ukraine:
Not comfortable, but as long as due process is followed and there's a right of independent appeal I think freezing assets might be necessary.
Why neccessary? Its a genuine question.
Surely more should be needed than being from Russia or knowing Putin. These oligarchs might now be totally law abiding and disagree with Putins actions. Even if dealing with Russia as long as its legally OK then whats the issue.
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Surely more should be needed than being from Russia or knowing Putin.
They are judged to be corrupt and benefited from being close to Putin - proceeds of crime and all that. Been pressure to take action long before Ukraine.
These oligarchs might now be totally law abiding and disagree with Putins actions. Even if dealing with Russia as long as its legally OK then whats the issue.
Western countries have now decided (or more correctly their legal systems have) that dealing with these people is no longer legal
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@victor-meldrew said in Ukraine:
I'm finding some of the pro-Ukraine stuff a bit childish, TBH. A symphony orchestra refusing to play Tchaikovsky is plain silly to me.
It’s classic virtue-signalling. Cancelling Tchaikovsky and Dostoevsky while U.S. continues to purchase uranium from the Rooskies is just embarrassing.
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@mikethesnow said in Ukraine:
@victor-meldrew said in Ukraine:
@mariner4life said in Ukraine:
anyone else uncomfortable with Governments seizing private assets just because of where they are from?
Not comfortable, but as long as due process is followed and there's a right of independent appeal I think freezing assets might be necessary.
> I'm finding some of the pro-Ukraine stuff a bit childish, TBH. A symphony orchestra refusing to play Tchaikovsky is plain silly to me.
It does seem silly on its own. But when you think about it as as part of a global cancellation of Russia (that's the times we live in! ), it's part of a bigger cog. I can't get too upset about it, but I also see what they're doing, and you wonder of it all adds up to something useful in the end ?
Good job the internet wasn't invented by the Russians.
Or the telephone.
Or the wheel.
Childish and pathetic.
I hear you, but I just don't know. Does it have any impact? Who knows. Does it have any downside? Basically zero.
It connects all Russians to the events at hand, in the same manner as the property repossession.
But I hear you, we will certainly only ban things that are irrelevant to us - qn back, why we should we do anything else???
The loss of income for the musicians who were to perform.
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@victor-meldrew said in Ukraine:
Surely more should be needed than being from Russia or knowing Putin.
They are judged to be corrupt and benefited from being close to Putin - proceeds of crime and all that. Been pressure to take action long before Ukraine.
These oligarchs might now be totally law abiding and disagree with Putins actions. Even if dealing with Russia as long as its legally OK then whats the issue.
Western countries have now decided (or more correctly their legal systems have) that dealing with these people is no longer legal
Putin crossed the line and the West finally decided to take this action after years of having these people in plain sight and accepting their ill gotten money. If I was one of them I might be a little bit miffed that Vlad upset a good thing
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@victor-meldrew said in Ukraine:
Surely more should be needed than being from Russia or knowing Putin.
They are judged to be corrupt and benefited from being close to Putin - proceeds of crime and all that. Been pressure to take action long before Ukraine.
These oligarchs might now be totally law abiding and disagree with Putins actions. Even if dealing with Russia as long as its legally OK then whats the issue.
Western countries have now decided (or more correctly their legal systems have) that dealing with these people is no longer legal
Putin crossed the line and the West finally decided to take this action after years of having these people in plain sight and accepting their ill gotten money. If I was one of them I might be a little bit miffed that Vlad upset a good thing
Who knows what sort of deals are going on via back channels? Perhaps Putin's food-taster will soon feel the need to ask for the money up front.
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@victor-meldrew said in Ukraine:
@victor-meldrew said in Ukraine:
Surely more should be needed than being from Russia or knowing Putin.
They are judged to be corrupt and benefited from being close to Putin - proceeds of crime and all that. Been pressure to take action long before Ukraine.
These oligarchs might now be totally law abiding and disagree with Putins actions. Even if dealing with Russia as long as its legally OK then whats the issue.
Western countries have now decided (or more correctly their legal systems have) that dealing with these people is no longer legal
Putin crossed the line and the West finally decided to take this action after years of having these people in plain sight and accepting their ill gotten money. If I was one of them I might be a little bit miffed that Vlad upset a good thing
Who knows what sort of deals are going on via back channels? Perhaps Putin's food-taster will soon feel the need to ask for the money up front.
He probably already has eyes in the back of his head. But I'd be getting Julius Caesar level paranoid right now
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Abramovich's Portuguese citizenship starting to look shaky
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So far six yachts, a local boat, two kayaks and a stand-up paddle board are part of the flotilla parked in the waters outside the resort, and protestors expect more will join them.
The Kremlin said Putin laid out his demands for ending the war, including Ukraine's demilitarisation. Moscow has also demanded that Ukraine drop its bid to join Nato, adopt a neutral status and acknowledge Russian sovereignty over Crimea, among other things.
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@junior I think Nato is bigger in Putins mind than anyone else. They are a collection on Nations, mainly funded by the US as Trump pointed out, who would probably be as effective as the United Nations in mounting an offensive against Russia. The chances of them invading Russian is slim to none. Purely defensive.
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@junior I think Nato is bigger in Putins mind than anyone else. They are a collection on Nations, mainly funded by the US as Trump pointed out, who would probably be as effective as the United Nations in mounting an offensive against Russia. The chances of them invading Russian is slim to none. Purely defensive.
Every bomb and drone missile attack the United States drops is defensive. Says so right on the Pentagon. Engraved in stone. “Department of Defense.” It’s why they had to take out Muammar. They were playing defense.
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@taniwharugby said in Ukraine:
Nobody has successfully invaded Russia for a reason
Good old TSF diversion...
didnt the Mongols had a decent period there?
Tricky buggers came from the east!