Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
A post on social media from Russell Coutts;
I'm heading to Wellington next week to join the protest. It's the first time I've ever felt compelled to join a protest.
I'm not anti-vaccine (I'm vaccinated) but I'm definitely against forced vaccinations.
I'm also strongly opposed to the ever increasing erosion of our human rights and the growing limitations on our freedom of choice. I believe in having the freedom to be able to question so-called "expert" opinion.
I'm against discrimination and the "them and us" society that is being promoted by our current political leaders.
I'm against creating different rights, laws and privileges based on Race.
I'm also against the irrational Covid rules that are currently being mandated in New Zealand, a few examples being;- The 10 day quarantine that still remains for international travel.
- The absurd rules where our kids (vaccinated and unvaccinated) can sit in the same classroom and play sport together inside the school yard, yet are prohibited from playing sport together outside the school yard.
- The absurd rules that prohibit two young unvaccinated brothers, living in the same household, from sailing together in a sailing competition because they would be within two metres of each other while sailing their boat.
- The rules that require one to put on a mask to walk to and from the bathroom inside a restaurant when masks have already been removed while eating and drinking.
- The contradictory rules that allow unvaccinated people to take a domestic flight (with a negative Covid test) but prohibit a young unvaccinated kid from competing in their sport (outside school).
- The fact that our kids are forced to wear masks at school (even when it's well known that the surgical masks most of them are wearing are highly ineffective).
Finally and perhaps most important, I'm against the fact that some of our mainstream media have received payment from the New Zealand government conditional on them promoting government policy, propaganda and spin.
So yes, I'll be joining the protest in Wellington.
Any background to that last point re Govt paid media?
Sounds spurious. Maybe they get comped a few drinks at Bellamys
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@toddy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
thaaaat doesn't sound suss at all!!
"I completely refute that" - Our dear leader.
State run media, central control, have heard this song before.
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
loooool
look at this fucking trash
Professional activist doesn't like this protest because "far right".
This is my absolute favourite bit
"If acting on my individual freedom means that I put another’s health at risk, is it worth taking that action? I say no.
That is why I have been voluntarily self-isolating, or close to it, for the past few months. If my world shrinking means another person lives, then it is worth it. If my inconvenience means our frontline workers can safely return home each night to their families, then it is worth it."
How about you continue to stay home then and let everyone else do their thing. This is the last dying gasps of people desperate for this to be the great panic of 2020, because you get to show how much you care.
Detached from reality
A friend of the family is unvaxxed and might even be at that protest (I doubt it as she is is a single mother).
She is (was) a stock truck driver, just one of the thousands of people going about their business making sure that food ends up on people's tables.
As I understand it, she was fired by her work (or at least put on leave) as she couldn't access 'public' places like saleyards that were covered by the vaccine mandate.
That's what i don't get about this - celebrating personal choice because you can self-isolate and not getting that others simply can't. This lady is getting pushed towards the poor house because she doesn't want to get a vaccine. I disagree with her stance, but from her perspective, she barely interacts with people, almost never inside, and is prepared to take her chances.
I reckon that's a bit dumb, but I don't see why she needed to lose her job.
And her workplace didn't want to let her go (she shows up, she's trustworthy, doesn't do drugs etc), but couldn't keep her because of the rules imposed upon them.
Surely this sounds like a workplace mandate, not a government mandate. i.e the workplace doesnt want her, and it has nothing to do with the government?
Maybe I'm wrong, but my understanding is that govt mandates are for health, education, emergency services and prisons - and anything beyond that is up to the employer. -
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@toddy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
thaaaat doesn't sound suss at all!!
"I completely refute that" - Our dear leader.
State run media, central control, have heard this song before.
you know what, i have a certain level of admiration for what they are pulling off. They've honed in on what triggers to pull to ensure whatever they do is perceived as popular, and any criticism is written off as right wing propaganda. They've got the media on side, they've got the adoring world press on side. Social media loves her.
It's pretty fucking sweet politics.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@toddy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
thaaaat doesn't sound suss at all!!
"I completely refute that" - Our dear leader.
State run media, central control, have heard this song before.
you know what, i have a certain level of admiration for what they are pulling off. They've honed in on what triggers to pull to ensure whatever they do is perceived as popular, and any criticism is written off as right wing propaganda. They've got the media on side, they've got the adoring world press on side. Social media loves her.
It's pretty fucking sweet politics.
Until it isn't. The media are a fickle bunch and as soon as they smell blood in the water they'll turn on her and her party.
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okay, new favourite paragraph!!
Uni students in Dunedin had a party (shocking i know). This was very very early in the piece
"Police were called to the party on Thursday, about 11.45pm, noting no QR codes, no checks of vaccine passes, no numbers being counted, and no security"
i for one am socked, shocked i tell you, that a Thursday night uni piss up was not professionally organised to the standards of a hospitality venue. shocked.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
A post on social media from Russell Coutts;
I'm heading to Wellington next week to join the protest. It's the first time I've ever felt compelled to join a protest.
I'm not anti-vaccine (I'm vaccinated) but I'm definitely against forced vaccinations.
I'm also strongly opposed to the ever increasing erosion of our human rights and the growing limitations on our freedom of choice. I believe in having the freedom to be able to question so-called "expert" opinion.
I'm against discrimination and the "them and us" society that is being promoted by our current political leaders.
I'm against creating different rights, laws and privileges based on Race.
I'm also against the irrational Covid rules that are currently being mandated in New Zealand, a few examples being;- The 10 day quarantine that still remains for international travel.
- The absurd rules where our kids (vaccinated and unvaccinated) can sit in the same classroom and play sport together inside the school yard, yet are prohibited from playing sport together outside the school yard.
- The absurd rules that prohibit two young unvaccinated brothers, living in the same household, from sailing together in a sailing competition because they would be within two metres of each other while sailing their boat.
- The rules that require one to put on a mask to walk to and from the bathroom inside a restaurant when masks have already been removed while eating and drinking.
- The contradictory rules that allow unvaccinated people to take a domestic flight (with a negative Covid test) but prohibit a young unvaccinated kid from competing in their sport (outside school).
- The fact that our kids are forced to wear masks at school (even when it's well known that the surgical masks most of them are wearing are highly ineffective).
Finally and perhaps most important, I'm against the fact that some of our mainstream media have received payment from the New Zealand government conditional on them promoting government policy, propaganda and spin.
So yes, I'll be joining the protest in Wellington.
Are the protestors sure he isn't going to defect to the govt. if offered a better deal?
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
A post on social media from Russell Coutts;
I'm heading to Wellington next week to join the protest. It's the first time I've ever felt compelled to join a protest.
I'm not anti-vaccine (I'm vaccinated) but I'm definitely against forced vaccinations.
I'm also strongly opposed to the ever increasing erosion of our human rights and the growing limitations on our freedom of choice. I believe in having the freedom to be able to question so-called "expert" opinion.
I'm against discrimination and the "them and us" society that is being promoted by our current political leaders.
I'm against creating different rights, laws and privileges based on Race.
I'm also against the irrational Covid rules that are currently being mandated in New Zealand, a few examples being;- The 10 day quarantine that still remains for international travel.
- The absurd rules where our kids (vaccinated and unvaccinated) can sit in the same classroom and play sport together inside the school yard, yet are prohibited from playing sport together outside the school yard.
- The absurd rules that prohibit two young unvaccinated brothers, living in the same household, from sailing together in a sailing competition because they would be within two metres of each other while sailing their boat.
- The rules that require one to put on a mask to walk to and from the bathroom inside a restaurant when masks have already been removed while eating and drinking.
- The contradictory rules that allow unvaccinated people to take a domestic flight (with a negative Covid test) but prohibit a young unvaccinated kid from competing in their sport (outside school).
- The fact that our kids are forced to wear masks at school (even when it's well known that the surgical masks most of them are wearing are highly ineffective).
Finally and perhaps most important, I'm against the fact that some of our mainstream media have received payment from the New Zealand government conditional on them promoting government policy, propaganda and spin.
So yes, I'll be joining the protest in Wellington.
Are the protestors sure he isn't going to defect to the govt. if offered a better deal?
oooh that's very good
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
A post on social media from Russell Coutts;
I'm heading to Wellington next week to join the protest. It's the first time I've ever felt compelled to join a protest.
I'm not anti-vaccine (I'm vaccinated) but I'm definitely against forced vaccinations.
I'm also strongly opposed to the ever increasing erosion of our human rights and the growing limitations on our freedom of choice. I believe in having the freedom to be able to question so-called "expert" opinion.
I'm against discrimination and the "them and us" society that is being promoted by our current political leaders.
I'm against creating different rights, laws and privileges based on Race.
I'm also against the irrational Covid rules that are currently being mandated in New Zealand, a few examples being;- The 10 day quarantine that still remains for international travel.
- The absurd rules where our kids (vaccinated and unvaccinated) can sit in the same classroom and play sport together inside the school yard, yet are prohibited from playing sport together outside the school yard.
- The absurd rules that prohibit two young unvaccinated brothers, living in the same household, from sailing together in a sailing competition because they would be within two metres of each other while sailing their boat.
- The rules that require one to put on a mask to walk to and from the bathroom inside a restaurant when masks have already been removed while eating and drinking.
- The contradictory rules that allow unvaccinated people to take a domestic flight (with a negative Covid test) but prohibit a young unvaccinated kid from competing in their sport (outside school).
- The fact that our kids are forced to wear masks at school (even when it's well known that the surgical masks most of them are wearing are highly ineffective).
Finally and perhaps most important, I'm against the fact that some of our mainstream media have received payment from the New Zealand government conditional on them promoting government policy, propaganda and spin.
So yes, I'll be joining the protest in Wellington.
Are the protestors sure he isn't going to defect to the govt. if offered a better deal?
oooh that's very good
it is... well done Frank, but the NZ government couldn't afford him
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@bayimports mate, they have a printing press in the dungeons of parliament
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Looks like the police are too touchy feely to deal with the protesters at parliament. It's going to get huge now, and spread to other cities, police have de facto decriminalised it. Glad I don't live or work in a big smoke. I have no problem with them taking over the lawn, but abusing the public and blocking streets needs to be stopped. Feel real story for those nearby in Welly, my mate has been yelled at and threatened for wearing a mask, he's at risk due to severe asthma. Now getting to work takes as lot longer either way, to avoid the feral fluffybunnies at the protest.
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@machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Looks like the police are too touchy feely to deal with the protesters at parliament. It's going to get huge now, and spread to other cities, police have de facto decriminalised it. Glad I don't live or work in a big smoke. I have no problem with them taking over the lawn, but abusing the public and blocking streets needs to be stopped. Feel real story for those nearby in Welly, my mate has been yelled at and threatened for wearing a mask, he's at risk due to severe asthma. Now getting to work takes as lot longer either way, to avoid the feral fluffybunnies at the protest.
This is why I never join protests: I don't want people thinking I'm like the lunatics and arseholes. I prefer just to complain and irritate people that way...
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Looks like the police are too touchy feely to deal with the protesters at parliament. It's going to get huge now, and spread to other cities, police have de facto decriminalised it. Glad I don't live or work in a big smoke. I have no problem with them taking over the lawn, but abusing the public and blocking streets needs to be stopped. Feel real story for those nearby in Welly, my mate has been yelled at and threatened for wearing a mask, he's at risk due to severe asthma. Now getting to work takes as lot longer either way, to avoid the feral fluffybunnies at the protest.
This is why I never join protests: I don't want people thinking I'm like the lunatics and arseholes. I prefer just to complain and irritate people that way...
Yeah they're certainly not all like that, I would imagine, but there are some right fucking nutters in amongst them. It's all about love placards and yelling they're going to execute people etc. But the Police are fucking wimping out if they don't get the roads sorted. The protest is going to get huge and poor old Wellingtonians are just going to have to suck it up, the Police have abrogated any protection for the public over the safety of law breakers.
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@machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Looks like the police are too touchy feely to deal with the protesters at parliament. It's going to get huge now, and spread to other cities, police have de facto decriminalised it. Glad I don't live or work in a big smoke. I have no problem with them taking over the lawn, but abusing the public and blocking streets needs to be stopped. Feel real story for those nearby in Welly, my mate has been yelled at and threatened for wearing a mask, he's at risk due to severe asthma. Now getting to work takes as lot longer either way, to avoid the feral fluffybunnies at the protest.
Hope the Police are going to get a grilling after this. I thought they handled that day on the lawn well and that they backed off to come at it from another angle but they let the thing get way out of control. They've let numbers swell, the tent city grow and more and more vehicles arrive. The empty threats were called on and they wimped away.
I have to agree that now they can do fuck all but they should not have let it get to this position.Everyone now knows to stand up to the police and they will back off.
Now wait for a convoy of gangs to join in.
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Question - is NZ who sets the rules as to what the police are allowed to do. Who would telling them on how aggressive they are allowed to be?
The Police themselves. Enforcement and operational matters are independant. Commissioner of Police and the executive team are that, an executive. IPCA have oversight for complaints, but the Police apply the law iaw the law, not govt directives. Gov writes the law, police enforce it (or in this case don't enforce it)