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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@machpants bit surprised Simon didnt push for Deputy, guess he should pick up a decent portfolio, similarly Reti, by all accounts widely respected, but doesnt strike me as leadership material, but a demotion none the less.
I can't see Simon taking this course unless he got something worth stepping aside for. Finance perhaps?
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@aucklandwarlord said in NZ Politics:
Judging by this article, it looks like Dean brought this up with JC some weeks back, but she clearly sat on it and then rolled it out late at night as if it were an urgent matter. It also looks like she lied when she said that she had the unanimous backing of the board.
I feel a bit sorry for Jacqui Dean. If what she says is true, then she only brought it up as an example of how the Nats needed to have some robust policies in place, yet JC has thrown her squarely under the bus in using it for her own ends.
wow. how to bungee jump with a rocket launcher.
So she used the #metoo theme for collateral damage at her own convenience. All that crap about how it was a matter of principle for her when she just hoarded it to sabotage Bridges.
Will be interesting to see how Luxton rewards or punishes or ignores him.
I imagine Collins could now score the coveted post of Shadow Minister for the Auckland Islands. Or perhaps a little closer: https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/where-is-the-most-remote-spot-in-nz/ -
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
From Simon Bridges:
This morning I met with Chris Luxon and had a great discussion. I am withdrawing from the leadership contest and will be backing Chris. He will make a brilliant National leader and Prime Minister.
Kudos to Simon. Now he will be a senior MP under the new leader, or even 2IC
I wonder what "great" means.
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I'm sorry, I think Barnaby and Tony are out on their own there. And I'm not exactly a Bridges fan (but, and I might well be in a minority, I preferred Simon to Judith).
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LOL NZ is a small place. My uncle’s cousin is luxons mum, whom my mother went to school with. Only in godzone.
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An interesting pointer to just how fucked up Collins' acumen was
If the Nats had come out and described how Reti had taken time to go grassroots on the Vax programme and understand how it could be improved for sectors I would have been impressed that their words on the matter weren't hollow and/or sniping from a safe distance.
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@billy-tell said in NZ Politics:
LOL NZ is a small place. My uncle’s cousin is luxons mum, whom my mother went to school with. Only in godzone.
you're practically brothers
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@crucial said in NZ Politics:
An interesting pointer to just how fucked up Collins' acumen was
If the Nats had come out and described how Reti had taken time to go grassroots on the Vax programme and understand how it could be improved for sectors I would have been impressed that their words on the matter weren't hollow and/or sniping from a safe distance.
They did. Reti has been trying since January to have a different approach to get Maori vaccinated. He explained the issues, and predicted the current situation 11 months ago.
He was ignored by the government, who not long after was sending out advertising (propaganda) about how we could take longer with the vaccine rollout.
I've seen some articles about him going out all over the place to actually do the vaccinations himself.
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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@crucial said in NZ Politics:
An interesting pointer to just how fucked up Collins' acumen was
If the Nats had come out and described how Reti had taken time to go grassroots on the Vax programme and understand how it could be improved for sectors I would have been impressed that their words on the matter weren't hollow and/or sniping from a safe distance.
They did. Reti has been trying since January to have a different approach to get Maori vaccinated. He explained the issues, and predicted the current situation 11 months ago.
He was ignored by the government, who not long after was sending out advertising (propaganda) about how we could take longer with the vaccine rollout.
I've seen some articles about him going out all over the place to actually do the vaccinations himself.
My point was more about Collins not using that good work in an effective way. Instead she picked targets as if she had high support instead of earning that support.
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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
Good start, a good communicator.
I thought he did okay in a soft environment. Certainly didn't look terrified like Muller. Willis will be the "kind" element. He stayed on message which was good, no gaffes
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@canefan not that soft, first question getting stuck into his religious beliefs, others about racism, many attempts to drag up issues with Bridges and Collins.
Not a friendly environment, he handled them all well.
Proof is in the pudding of course, and whether MPs behave themselves. Will need to see some ruthlessness in dispatching them if they don't.
Better presentation than Reti, who talks like an animated corpse.
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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@canefan not that soft, first question getting stuck into his religious beliefs, others about racism, many attempts to drag up issues with Bridges and Collins.
Not a friendly environment, he handled them all well.
Proof is in the pudding of course, and whether MPs behave themselves. Will need to see some ruthlessness in dispatching them if they don't.
Better presentation than Reti, who talks like an animated corpse.
I just mean it was relatively scripted. But all the potential banana skins he handled like a pro
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@taniwharugby It's bound to be a line of enquiry they pursue given his own comments on its importance in his life and some of the people he / his church have been linked with.
I get that a person's religion should be there own business but there remains the suspicion that it will colour his position on all manner of issues.
He's getting a very easy ride from the media compared to how he would be treated if he had been called a muslim fundamentalist.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby It's bound to be a line of enquiry they pursue given his own comments on its importance in his life and some of the people he / his church have been linked with.
I get that a person's religion should be there own business but there remains the suspicion that it will colour his position on all manner of issues.
He's getting a very easy ride from the media compared to how he would be treated if he had been called a muslim fundamentalist.
It's a fair question to ask and he is laying his criteria down.
Pretty fair to say that on conscience votes eg abortion/euthanasia etc he will be voting a very conservative line and that's fine if his constituents are fully aware that he will use their mandate that way.
The times I would question it is shown in the example of him voting against the 'protection zones from protestors' around abortion clinics. You wonder how much an anti-abortion stance is influencing the vote in the name of 'rights of free speech'
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@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby It's bound to be a line of enquiry they pursue given his own comments on its importance in his life and some of the people he / his church have been linked with.
I get that a person's religion should be there own business but there remains the suspicion that it will colour his position on all manner of issues.
He's getting a very easy ride from the media compared to how he would be treated if he had been called a muslim fundamentalist.
It's a fair question to ask and he is laying his criteria down.
Pretty fair to say that on conscience votes eg abortion/euthanasia etc he will be voting a very conservative line and that's fine if his constituents are fully aware that he will use their mandate that way.
The times I would question it is shown in the example of him voting against the 'protection zones from protestors' around abortion clinics. You wonder how much an anti-abortion stance is influencing the vote in the name of 'rights of free speech'
Isn't that what we want? People to clearly articulate their beliefs/values and we vote accordingly? He's made it clear that he understands that he represents his constituent's beliefs as well.
Have we gotten so used to politicans lying and hiding what they really think that is is somehow controversial?
I'm not religious at all, but people have the right to their beliefs. If he was a muslim they simply wouldn't be pursuing this line of questioning.
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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby It's bound to be a line of enquiry they pursue given his own comments on its importance in his life and some of the people he / his church have been linked with.
I get that a person's religion should be there own business but there remains the suspicion that it will colour his position on all manner of issues.
He's getting a very easy ride from the media compared to how he would be treated if he had been called a muslim fundamentalist.
It's a fair question to ask and he is laying his criteria down.
Pretty fair to say that on conscience votes eg abortion/euthanasia etc he will be voting a very conservative line and that's fine if his constituents are fully aware that he will use their mandate that way.
The times I would question it is shown in the example of him voting against the 'protection zones from protestors' around abortion clinics. You wonder how much an anti-abortion stance is influencing the vote in the name of 'rights of free speech'
Isn't that what we want? People to clearly articulate their beliefs/values and we vote accordingly? He's made it clear that he understands that he represents his constituent's beliefs as well.
Have we gotten so used to politicans lying and hiding what they really think that is is somehow controversial?
I'm not religious at all, but people have the right to their beliefs. If he was a muslim they simply wouldn't be pursuing this line of questioning.
I'm not sure why you continually think I am arguing against something when I have already said 'that it is fine'.
My second point doesn't mean that I think he is lying or hiding or that he isn't allowed his beliefs, just that questions will obviously be asked in these cases.
If he wants to be the leader of a party purporting to do the best by middle NZ then he needs to be sure that he is representing that group by and large or he will get questions about it.
I was agreeing with @dogmeat
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@crucial I was referring to both you and dogmeat thinking it's a fine line of questioning. With all that's going on in NZ it was the first question FFS.
He's clearly stated now and in the past he has his personal beliefs (like he's alone in that) and he's not ignoring the beliefs/wants of people that vote for him.
I'm hopeful that his stated focus on delivering results will finally hold Labour's feet to the fire on their abysmal handling of a variety of policies. They have been getting away with murder.
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