Coronavirus - Overall
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Interesting about the genetic predisposition.
It doesn't even have to be lies. I have a guy working for me very similar in some ways. He's intelligent and thoughtful. Not anti-vax at all but he read the Pharmac reports on Pfizer and is worried about the myocarditis risk as both his parents developed heart conditions.
I have talked to him about how low the risk is and how yes he is unlikely to be badly affected but to think of his Mum - elderly lives with him lots of medical conditions.
He wants to wait until the end of next year when reports will come out about the longer term risks of the jab. Its quite sad to see. He will wear a mask etc, thinks Covid is real but is getting depressed about living in a mandated world without being vaccinated but sees the risk for him as being too high.
The really sad thing is why he is so fearful. Turns out he was born significantly premature with under-developed organs and spent the first three years of his life in hospital.
He has a fatalistic belief that he should never have been born and the universe will do what it can to right that wrong. He sees getting jabbed as too risky because even though he accepts the risk is incredibly low he sees it as an opportunity for fate to kill him off as he never should have been born.
How the fuck do you argue with that?
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@dogmeat whoa.
I don't suppose you do argue with it because there's no logic to his argument, so you can't logic him out of it.
I suppose you go deeper and help him feel better about himself. Hell, he's grown to be an adult and The Universe has had plenty of opportunity to remove him prior to now, so perhaps it doesn't really want to do that?
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Not directly relevant, more about the anti-vax “research “. I was speaking to a doctor a month or so back and he was telling me of an incident. He was giving a child a vaccination, not covid but I can’t remember which one. The kid started fitting and convulsing. The thing is though that this occurred just before the vaccine was administered. If he’d been five minutes quicker, this would have been further “evidence”. Small margins.
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Been an interesting week with the Omicron thingy casting a shadow over everyone.
It's been interesting seeing Governments falling in to the "just do something" trap despite having any evidence
It's been interesting seeing the media jumping to as many conclusions as possible despite having absolutely no information except a name.
And this morning i read an article that this variant was in Europe well before it was discovered by scientists in SA. So shutting down all those African travellers seems a fucking real smart move now aye? But shit, we had to do something!
No one has learned a goddam thing over the past 2 years.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Been an interesting week with the Omicron thingy casting a shadow over everyone.
It's been interesting seeing Governments falling in to the "just do something" trap despite having any evidence
It's been interesting seeing the media jumping to as many conclusions as possible despite having absolutely no information except a name.
And this morning i read an article that this variant was in Europe well before it was discovered by scientists in SA. So shutting down all those African travellers seems a fucking real smart move now aye? But shit, we had to do something!
No one has learned a goddam thing over the past 2 years.
It’s a fucking embarrassment
They should all be shitcanned
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Been an interesting week with the Omicron thingy casting a shadow over everyone.
It's been interesting seeing Governments falling in to the "just do something" trap despite having any evidence
It's been interesting seeing the media jumping to as many conclusions as possible despite having absolutely no information except a name.
And this morning i read an article that this variant was in Europe well before it was discovered by scientists in SA. So shutting down all those African travellers seems a fucking real smart move now aye? But shit, we had to do something!
No one has learned a goddam thing over the past 2 years.
And in VIC the government takes the "do something" workstream to a whole new level passing laws that wouldn't be out of place in mainland China - quite extraordinary.
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@mariner4life im focusing more on all the medias rather than the government when it comes to omicron, they were grilled for not taking the original outbreak seriously enough...then for going too hard for beta...too casual for delta and then too hard...i think there are just too many people that dont even want the government to get it right because when they fuck up they sell more papers/gets clicks/get likes
@dogmeat that actually starts off with some of the more sound reasoning to be concerned, family medical history. Have they sort support from doctors? either re the vaccine or wider potential mental issues, not a doc obvious but having that kind of fear the universe is after you is worrying
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media wants clicks
Governments want re-election
Covid is a useful tool for both
And i definitely take your point about wanting Governments to fail, depending on what colour tie you/your editor wears.
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@anonymous said in Coronavirus - Overall:
virulent
i assumed @chimoaus was trying to say more contagious but less harmful
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Been an interesting week with the Omicron thingy casting a shadow over everyone.
It's been interesting seeing Governments falling in to the "just do something" trap despite having any evidence
It's been interesting seeing the media jumping to as many conclusions as possible despite having absolutely no information except a name.
And this morning i read an article that this variant was in Europe well before it was discovered by scientists in SA. So shutting down all those African travellers seems a fucking real smart move now aye? But shit, we had to do something!
No one has learned a goddam thing over the past 2 years.
Something Must Be Done, and This Is Something.
More seriously though, I think they've learned a lot, possibly not all of it good. People have realised that inaction is still a decision, and demand action, but obviously that action is not always what people want, so damned if they do, damned if they don't I guess.
Cautious, evidence-based decisionmaking is usually fine, but in a pandemic it can be slow enough to be more of a risk than taking less thought-through action more quickly. Delta especially was transmissible enough that an average plan rolled out quickly was more useful than a great plan rolled out slowly.
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@anonymous said in Coronavirus - Overall:
virulent
i assumed @chimoaus was trying to say more contagious but less harmful
Lol I clearly fucked that up, thanks for the correction.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
No one has learned a goddam thing over the past 2 years.
See it's funny as I think the last few days have shown we've learned a lot.
If this was six months ago I think there'd be demands for a nationwide lockdown, or at least in Sydney. We've had an Omicron case in the community - time to panic!
But now I think the response is considered and appropriate. We don't know how bad this is so some caution is required, but not so much caution that we shut society down.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
No one has learned a goddam thing over the past 2 years.
See it's funny as I think the last few days have shown we've learned a lot.
If this was six months ago I think there'd be demands for a nationwide lockdown, or at least in Sydney. We've had an Omicron case in the community - time to panic!
But now I think the response is considered and appropriate. We don't know how bad this is so some caution is required, but not so much caution that we shut society down.
probably a fair call mate
I'm still in Qld, and there is still the potential for us to stay shut off. And even chat around it makes me very jumpy, which clouds my judgement
I'm mainly pissed at a media determined to make a "super-mutant" (yeah, i read that today) thing really fucking scary when no one knows anything.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
No one has learned a goddam thing over the past 2 years.
See it's funny as I think the last few days have shown we've learned a lot.
If this was six months ago I think there'd be demands for a nationwide lockdown, or at least in Sydney. We've had an Omicron case in the community - time to panic!
But now I think the response is considered and appropriate. We don't know how bad this is so some caution is required, but not so much caution that we shut society down.
probably a fair call mate
I'm still in Qld, and there is still the potential for us to stay shut off. And even chat around it makes me very jumpy, which clouds my judgement
I'm mainly pissed at a media determined to make a "super-mutant" (yeah, i read that today) thing really fucking scary when no one knows anything.
What is likely to be really interesting is how things will go if it turns out that the current vaccines aren’t effective. I can’t see the various communities around being prepared to get to another 90% vaccination rate, so hopefully this version is less virulent and the vaccines work enough to keep serious complications down.
If not, I have to admit, my wife and I will have some hard decisions to make.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
No one has learned a goddam thing over the past 2 years.
See it's funny as I think the last few days have shown we've learned a lot.
If this was six months ago I think there'd be demands for a nationwide lockdown, or at least in Sydney. We've had an Omicron case in the community - time to panic!
But now I think the response is considered and appropriate. We don't know how bad this is so some caution is required, but not so much caution that we shut society down.
probably a fair call mate
I'm still in Qld, and there is still the potential for us to stay shut off. And even chat around it makes me very jumpy, which clouds my judgement
I'm mainly pissed at a media determined to make a "super-mutant" (yeah, i read that today) thing really fucking scary when no one knows anything.
yes, we're a bit worred about some friend who moved from melbourne back to QLD, theyre staying with some family in NSW in anticipation of the bdy's opening.....
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
No one has learned a goddam thing over the past 2 years.
See it's funny as I think the last few days have shown we've learned a lot.
If this was six months ago I think there'd be demands for a nationwide lockdown, or at least in Sydney. We've had an Omicron case in the community - time to panic!
But now I think the response is considered and appropriate. We don't know how bad this is so some caution is required, but not so much caution that we shut society down.
probably a fair call mate
I'm still in Qld, and there is still the potential for us to stay shut off. And even chat around it makes me very jumpy, which clouds my judgement
I'm mainly pissed at a media determined to make a "super-mutant" (yeah, i read that today) thing really fucking scary when no one knows anything.
What is likely to be really interesting is how things will go if it turns out that the current vaccines aren’t effective. I can’t see the various communities around being prepared to get to another 90% vaccination rate, so hopefully this version is less virulent and the vaccines work enough to keep serious complications down.
If not, I have to admit, my wife and I will have some hard decisions to make.
i really don't even want to think about that to be honest. That's a horrific scenario for the world. Imagine going back to square 1?