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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
I've met Bridges as in proper sit round table discussions as opposed to a handshake meet and greet. He's a vain, smug, spoiled little child of a man.
That's quite funny as I've only seen him walking down the street and judging solely by appearances that's him to a tee.
Looked like he should be a used car salesman or real estate agent that specialises in slumlords.
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Interested if anyone's opinion on Collins' alleged behaviour while in Key's govt has changed now? The Dirty Politics accusations were a bit OTT but the substance makes plenty of sense if this is how she operates.
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@smudge said in NZ Politics:
@tim Considering the Herald is now reporting that the slighted MP, Jacqui Dean, complained about it at the time five years ago and Bridges was spoken to by then-leader Bill English, then abso-fucking-lutely.
Jacqui is in the Class of 2005 alongside Judith and is very much a Collins fan.
I predict this will simply hasten the demise of Collins, and it will backfire badly on her.
your post aged well. I don't often get to say that in TSF (about posts in general, I hasten to add).
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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@godder said in NZ Politics:
Dr Reti fronting a press conference, and the opening statement was very brief - there was an urgent caucus meeting called following the press release, motion of no confidence was successful, Dr Reti automatically interim leader until leadership contest will be held at next Caucus meeting on Tuesday. Also a lot of answers along the lines of what happens in Caucus, stays in Caucus, and not discussing conversations had with colleagues, which is fair enough.
Painful questioning. Can't there be better system than yelling over each other?
Maybe Get Smart Cones of Silence that descend on cue from the ceiling or a sliding glass panel?
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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
So Barry Soper just repeated what Bridges reportedly said. It wasn't even said to the MP in question, she just overheard it.
Bridges was talking about him and his wife trying for a daughter and made a joke about have to girl you have to go a little more shallow.
FFS, a mildly off colour joke she overheard.
thank you I wondered what it was. Seems pretty steep to dismiss Bridges for that but my reading is the real problem was not involving the Shadow Cabinet in the decision? This doesn't just look bad for Collins but also for National. I hope they can bounce back and a good start to have an interim leader for breathing space.
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@nostrildamus said in NZ Politics:
@smudge said in NZ Politics:
@tim Considering the Herald is now reporting that the slighted MP, Jacqui Dean, complained about it at the time five years ago and Bridges was spoken to by then-leader Bill English, then abso-fucking-lutely.
Jacqui is in the Class of 2005 alongside Judith and is very much a Collins fan.
I predict this will simply hasten the demise of Collins, and it will backfire badly on her.
your post aged well. I don't often get to say that in TSF (about posts in general, I hasten to add).
I have a few spies who feed me well on the National Party politics front. Although most of us didn't have a clue how today was going to pan out.
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did someone feed Judith some shitty intel or has someone set her up?
How did she not see this playing out poorly for her? She doesnt seem that daft to do something which carried such a high risk of blow back??
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@taniwharugby
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Even if the serious tenor of her allegations could be credibly sustained, by bypassing caucus and mis-characterising the position of the National Party board, Collins destroyed any lingering trust, confidence, and finally, fear, that her MPs had.If her political kamikaze job succeeds in torpedoing Bridges’ chances, it will be one last entry on her list of confirmed kills as leader, a list that is almost farcically lopsided in favour of dispatching her own MPs rather than government ministers.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
did someone feed Judith some shitty intel or has someone set her up?
How did she not see this playing out poorly for her? She doesnt seem that daft to do something which carried such a high risk of blow back??
The answer is her judgement or political instincts are basically pretty shit. Good to see the back of her. But....I hope the next leader is better.
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As I said I can't comment on NZ politics, but have a look at the 100% government funded, 100% government controlled UK National Health Service and see how well that has turned out. You end up with patients drinking dirty water out of flower vases to stay alive (yes, really)
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(13)60264-0/fulltext
Just saying be very, very, careful of what you wish for.
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@frank said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
did someone feed Judith some shitty intel or has someone set her up?
How did she not see this playing out poorly for her? She doesnt seem that daft to do something which carried such a high risk of blow back??
The answer is her judgement or political instincts are basically pretty shit. Good to see the back of her. But....I hope the next leader is better.
All of the senior MPs of the Key/English era are either gone or have been on the outer. The Nats have a serious talent vacuum right now
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Judging by this article, it looks like Dean brought this up with JC some weeks back, but she clearly sat on it and then rolled it out late at night as if it were an urgent matter. It also looks like she lied when she said that she had the unanimous backing of the board.
I feel a bit sorry for Jacqui Dean. If what she says is true, then she only brought it up as an example of how the Nats needed to have some robust policies in place, yet JC has thrown her squarely under the bus in using it for her own ends.
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What a debacle. It's not healthy for what is effectively a two party system to have one of those parties such a rabble. Every single valid criticism of Labour can effectively be parried with 'yeah, but that fucking mess over there is the alternative'.
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@reprobate said in NZ Politics:
What a debacle. It's not healthy for what is effectively a two party system to have one of those parties such a rabble. Every single valid criticism of Labour can effectively be parried with 'yeah, but that fucking mess over there is the alternative'.
National are in exactly the same state Labour where in when they rolled Cunliffe, Little and then rolled the dice on Taxinda.
Similar place in the polls too.
So it can be turned around quickly.
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Collins actions on Wednesday night remind me of Muldoon's snap election.
I wonder if she was similarly pissed. It's the only credible explanation for such a monumentally stupid decision.
I thought at the time it would likely blow up in her face - and that was before I learned how lame the alleged offence really was.
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fuck the state of our media, the shitty interviewer, seriously where do they get thier credentials? This chick has history with this style with talking over, continuously asking questions over and over
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
Collins actions on Wednesday night remind me of Muldoon's snap election.
I wonder if she was similarly pissed. It's the only credible explanation for such a monumentally stupid decision.
I thought at the time it would likely blow up in her face - and that was before I learned how lame the alleged offence really was.
Doubt she was drunk, the scenerio outlined above is that Bridges came to her saying he had the numbers and she reacted by saying she would destroy his career (apparantly throwing a friend under the bus as well).
Vindictive, selfish, and she got what she deserved.
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