Coronavirus - New Zealand
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There are two new expected and linked community cases of COVID-19 to report in Christchurch today, both from a single household linked to the cases identified earlier this week.
This brings the total number of active cases in the region to four. A total of 13 other close contacts have now been identified, who are isolating and will undergo further testing.
The new cases reported today were close contacts of the two initial cases. They are currently isolating with public health support. The local public health unit is gathering further information from these cases to identify any close contacts and exposure events, including any locations of interest.
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9500 small businesses closed last month.
Where is that stat from? I wonder what it is for 2021? (Net net not just closed businesses)
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
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9500 small businesses closed last month.
Where is that stat from? I wonder what it is for 2021? (Net net not just closed businesses)
Also need comparisons to previous years to see the real impact.
It was from a National MP speaking in parliament. He said that the stat was for the previous month, and an increase from the three months from July of 140%.
It was a pretty good speech, and another point made was that the new assistance announced last week was three weeks away from bein live. Making the point of how many more businesses would fail by then.
While I get that is happening I don't love stats like that in isolation. I know of a few people that have left their jobs and opened new businesses this year while I don't know anyone personally that has to shut up shop. I know that in itself is irrelevant but that's why I like to know the net affect. Have the businesses that have closed been purchased and reopened by another owner?
Well the main impact will be in Auckland I guess? Anecodatally, plenty of for lease signs around here of businesses that have disappeared.
Yeah fully, and don't get me wrong, I fully know that Auckland (and north) would be doing the worst collectively. It's a prick of a time.
While it sucks in the now, we know that once we are out of this and the suffering is complete (mentally, fiscally and physically) those business's will start up again and start creating wealth again.
Those that haven't gone broke you mean? Not everyone can go through multiple periods of no revenue. I'd expect a few have lost their homes as well.
Yes, those that haven't gone bankrupt.
Well I have spent many Gracie salaries to keep my staff employed and be able to open again. They need to stop this lockdown shit. I'm not even sure that it works with delta.
Completely agree. It's now passed the point of no return. If you don't want to Vax you simply miss out while the rest of us carry on and start to enjoy life/ rebuild our lives
Fuck
What the fuck are you worried about?
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@tim the new case up here is the husband of the original case last week, after negative tests in day 1 and day 3 I think, he started showing symptoms on day 5, apparently emergency services called on day 6, tested on day 7, and today positive result.
Is quite good, the lady is posting daily updates of symptoms, how she feels etc...
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@tim the new case up here is the husband of the original case last week, after negative tests in day 1 and day 3 I think, he started showing symptoms on day 5, apparently emergency services called on day 6, tested on day 7, and today positive result.
Is quite good, the lady is posting daily updates of symptoms, how she feels etc...
Is that the people you said were streaming their result? and husband though it was all fake anyway?
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Back on topic;
9500 small businesses closed last month.
Where is that stat from? I wonder what it is for 2021? (Net net not just closed businesses)
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Back on topic;
9500 small businesses closed last month.
Where is that stat from? I wonder what it is for 2021? (Net net not just closed businesses)
Also need comparisons to previous years to see the real impact.
It was from a National MP speaking in parliament. He said that the stat was for the previous month, and an increase from the three months from July of 140%.
It was a pretty good speech, and another point made was that the new assistance announced last week was three weeks away from bein live. Making the point of how many more businesses would fail by then.
While I get that is happening I don't love stats like that in isolation. I know of a few people that have left their jobs and opened new businesses this year while I don't know anyone personally that has to shut up shop. I know that in itself is irrelevant but that's why I like to know the net affect. Have the businesses that have closed been purchased and reopened by another owner?
Well the main impact will be in Auckland I guess? Anecodatally, plenty of for lease signs around here of businesses that have disappeared.
Yeah fully, and don't get me wrong, I fully know that Auckland (and north) would be doing the worst collectively. It's a prick of a time.
While it sucks in the now, we know that once we are out of this and the suffering is complete (mentally, fiscally and physically) those business's will start up again and start creating wealth again.
Those that haven't gone broke you mean? Not everyone can go through multiple periods of no revenue. I'd expect a few have lost their homes as well.
Yes, those that haven't gone bankrupt.
Well I have spent many Gracie salaries to keep my staff employed and be able to open again. They need to stop this lockdown shit. I'm not even sure that it works with delta.
Completely agree. It's now passed the point of no return. If you don't want to Vax you simply miss out while the rest of us carry on and start to enjoy life/ rebuild our lives
Fuck
What the fuck are you worried about?
I'm not worried. I don't understand your post.
All I'm saying is that the morons of the world that won't vax can suffer by not being able to have the freedoms of the rest of us that are vaccinated and that we should open up now.
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@rapido correct...expect he has changed his views now based on some of the symptoms his wife described!
Day 6.5 - UPDATE!
At 9.36am I had to make the call to emergency services.
Just over half an hour after my first morning update my husband got worse.
His head was at a 9 pain level - felt like it was being squeezed and trying to exit through his sinus cavity.
Hands felt like they were holding broken glass
Temperature
Aching body
Sore throat and neck
Mimi every half hour
From 9.36 I documented our rural wait.
While he lay there, still and quiet. If you know Manga you know this is rare.
9:36 - phone call to emergency
10:14 - ambo check in call
- the year was 2022 and he gave a phone number from years ago.
11:09 - toilet
11:30 - I gave him panadol for temp
11:30 - ambo check call
- pain getting worse
11:37 - toilet
12:05 - toilet
12:20 - ambo check in call - no changes
12:23 - ambo arrives
- He has all the symptoms of COVID.
12:51 - I give him ibuprofen
He is to stay home, be tested again and keep isolated and fight it out. I am to keep an eye on his breathing and as soon as he says he's struggling to breathe I need to call emergency again and...
To see my strong healthy Demi God take a fall from grace opened my eyes to how things could have been much worse for me.
I've only had one vaccination but I believe my symptoms were due to my immune system doing its job with out taking me down.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@hooroo yeah I'd say >95% of those who will get vaccinated, will have done so by now, the rest, will dig their heels in, even the mandating isnt changing some of their minds, through a client of mine, I know they have 3 educators who will be resigning on the date they have to be vaxxed on...hear similar stories with other educators and health personell, unsure what some of these peoples long term plans will be, given in the past they would have jumped on a plane to work in Aus...but unvaxxed now means no fly, and Aus have mandated vaccination in those occupations too
Zero reason why teachers have to start vaccinations in december as well, other than the unions are largest donors for Labour.
No public sector unions are affiliated with or donate to any political parties (I work for PSA, which has that in the constitution, and the other public sector unions I've seen the rules for have similar clauses). Labour was founded by unions and still has some union affiliates (of which the biggest is E Tu), but it's a few, not a lot (there are hundreds of unions in NZ).
The dates of the mandates for health were pushed back to match education because the health sector wouldn't otherwise have time to make arrangements for the likely exodus from the community care providers. That said, even with more time, a shortage is a shortage and based on emails etc from the small but vocal part of our membership who are antivax, basically community care is the main cluster of them.
Education dates made sense to me in terms of usual exam dates, the standard school year and workforce planning around it. I also can't see many education workers refusing the second dose after getting the first, so practically most of these will be suspended from 16 November.
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@godder I sit corrected on the PPTA, got confused with the mob of unions donating to Labour like the New Zealand Dairy Workers' Union, Etu, Engineering Printing and Manufacturing Union, Service and Food Workers Union, Maritime Union, Rail and Maritime Transport Union to name a few from a quick google.
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@WillieTheWaiter so how has the news gone down in your workplace that they have made the decision that everyone at your sites need to be Vaccinated?
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder as for the dates, if you are opening up schools (which they are) then surely they should be getting the teachers vaccinated? It's always hurry up and wait with this lot.
I haven't seen the advice from the Ministry of Education, but from the Minister's answers to questions at press conferences, the major reasoning for the dates is to avoid situations where antivaxxers can disrupt operations to the extent that the government has to back down. There are no real difficulties in cities and large towns as there are enough teachers and relievers to cover any issues, but the concern is rural schools having to shut because their 1 or 2 teachers walk out or haven't got it done yet because of accessibility issues. There are schools cut off from the rest of NZ other than by boat, or just a long way from the nearest vaccination clinic while the teacher is also working a full time day job so can't go during the week. I don't think there are that many of these schools, but was obviously enough for Cabinet to set the dates to allow the Ministry of Education to have contingencies in place.
Setting different dates for Auckland and/or Waikato L3 areas to the rest of NZ is an obvious option to consider - I don't know why they didn't, but that strikes me as more complex than it needs to be. 1 set of dates is easily communicated and systems geared up toward, 2 sets not so much.
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@godder not a dig at you, but that reads like "when is a mandate not a mandate".
I wish we could speed through November and just get to the government backing down, opening up for vaccinated people and restricted those who have had plenty of time to get vaccinated but have chosen not to.
I agree they have the right not to be, but they don't have the right to keep Auckland shut down.
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In the current Auckland outbreak 227 out of 230 hospitalisations were unvaccinated. Stark numbers
Official numbers
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@godder not good on both counts...looking at places of interest for the Northland ones, looks like a delivery type, so hopefully masks and social distancing rules followed.
If these new cases, the one last week coupled with the lady from last week doing a great job with her daily diary of her symptoms and then her husbands rapid decline (although looks to be on the mend) after 2 negative tests in the 1st 4 days, don't give a few fence sitters a hurry up with vaccinations, nothing will.
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@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Back on topic;
9500 small businesses closed last month.
Where is that stat from? I wonder what it is for 2021? (Net net not just closed businesses)
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Back on topic;
9500 small businesses closed last month.
Where is that stat from? I wonder what it is for 2021? (Net net not just closed businesses)
Also need comparisons to previous years to see the real impact.
It was from a National MP speaking in parliament. He said that the stat was for the previous month, and an increase from the three months from July of 140%.
It was a pretty good speech, and another point made was that the new assistance announced last week was three weeks away from bein live. Making the point of how many more businesses would fail by then.
While I get that is happening I don't love stats like that in isolation. I know of a few people that have left their jobs and opened new businesses this year while I don't know anyone personally that has to shut up shop. I know that in itself is irrelevant but that's why I like to know the net affect. Have the businesses that have closed been purchased and reopened by another owner?
Well the main impact will be in Auckland I guess? Anecodatally, plenty of for lease signs around here of businesses that have disappeared.
Yeah fully, and don't get me wrong, I fully know that Auckland (and north) would be doing the worst collectively. It's a prick of a time.
While it sucks in the now, we know that once we are out of this and the suffering is complete (mentally, fiscally and physically) those business's will start up again and start creating wealth again.
Those that haven't gone broke you mean? Not everyone can go through multiple periods of no revenue. I'd expect a few have lost their homes as well.
Yes, those that haven't gone bankrupt.
Well I have spent many Gracie salaries to keep my staff employed and be able to open again. They need to stop this lockdown shit. I'm not even sure that it works with delta.
Completely agree. It's now passed the point of no return. If you don't want to Vax you simply miss out while the rest of us carry on and start to enjoy life/ rebuild our lives
Fuck
What the fuck are you worried about?
I'm not worried. I don't understand your post.
All I'm saying is that the morons of the world that won't vax can suffer by not being able to have the freedoms of the rest of us that are vaccinated and that we should open up now.
Slippery slope IMHO
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@mikethesnow agree, and i think its coming from the worng place. Feels like people want to punish or discipline for not toeing the line.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
In the current Auckland outbreak 227 out of 230 hospitalisations were unvaccinated. Stark numbers
Official numbers
This is pretty powerful. Although we really need to know what %age of infections were with vaccinated people.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
In the current Auckland outbreak 227 out of 230 hospitalisations were unvaccinated. Stark numbers
Official numbers
This is pretty powerful. Although we really need to know what %age of infections were with vaccinated people.
A possible case of Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics?
The straight numbers may indicate the efficacy of vaccines. Or it may indicate that the majority of people catching the bug are the groups that aren't getting jabbed and are catching it because of behaviours that allow the bug to spread, ie., anyi-vaxxers possibly don't take the precautions normal sensible people do. ???
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@muddyriver problem is, the govt is pushing that narrative, creating the divide hoping those who know someone that is unvaxed will put pressure on them to do it, or pretty much shun them.
Was talking to my eldest last night and he hasn't been yet, his employer is suggesting he does, but not saying he has to and he is still on the fence.