Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So heard Bloomfield being a little joy germ on the radio this morning.
It's great that we are almost at 90% first jab in Akl
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the target is 90% double jabbed
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if we get to 90 first jab this week then there should be a 3 week delay until we hit the fully vaccinated target
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then there's two weeks for the protection to kick in.
So we are talking 6 weeks Ashley - right?
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there's still the rest of NZ to consider. Until the whole country is double jabbed (plus two weeks) the Auckland borders have to stay in place
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With a R rate above 1 vaccinations are only part of the control strategy
I think his dancing must have shaken something loose in Bloomfield's noggin. How easy is it to keep Akl in isolation when it doesn't affect you directly?
After nine weeks of this I shudder to think how people in Melbourne or much of the northern hemisphere coped with longer lockdowns.
Fuck, I have to stop checking this thread, 98% of the time it makes me feel really depressed. I feel sorry for those of you who are stuck in lockdown and can't get out despite the choices of others.
My family is from a rural background and many of our rurally-based friends are vaccine hesitant, mainly because they don't interact with that many people and also are a bit more conservative (one or two get their news from the states, often via fox or associated sources, then share it around with others here via FB).
Personally speaking, I don't mind them making that choice but if the major cities are at 90% NZ should start making some positive decisions to support those who've done their part, rather than waiting on those who don't plan to.
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TBH. The reality on the ground will be dictated by gangs and tuck drivers, now. Not Bloomfield.
What he is saying maybe the theory.
Which may be depressing, but no point Auckland staying in level 3 for 9 weeks if the virus is already throughout the north island by say week 4 - as a theoretical example.
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
TBH. The reality on the ground will be dictated by gangs and tuck drivers, now. Not Bloomfield.
What he is saying maybe the theory.
Which may be depressing, but no point Auckland staying in level 3 for 9 weeks if the virus is already throughout the north island by say week 4 - as a theoretical example.
The sooner they realise they are no longer in control the sooner they start thinking about managing things differently. The people who will flout the rules in L3 will flout them in L2 or L4 as well. And the longer things go on compliance in those who up until now have been following the rules will wane
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So heard Bloomfield being a little joy germ on the radio this morning.
It's great that we are almost at 90% first jab in Akl
.... but....
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the target is 90% double jabbed
-
if we get to 90 first jab this week then there should be a 3 week delay until we hit the fully vaccinated target
-
then there's two weeks for the protection to kick in.
So we are talking 6 weeks Ashley - right?
...but...
there's still the rest of NZ to consider. Until the whole country is double jabbed (plus two weeks) the Auckland borders have to stay in place
...but...
With a R rate above 1 vaccinations are only part of the control strategy
I think his dancing must have shaken something loose in Bloomfield's noggin. How easy is it to keep Akl in isolation when it doesn't affect you directly?
After nine weeks of this I shudder to think how people in Melbourne or much of the northern hemisphere coped with longer lockdowns.
But during those 6 weeks, some children turned 12 and are now eligible for the vaccine, so we have to be kind and let them have the opportunity to be fully vaccinated...
Sounds like reasons for avoiding making hard decisions. Hopefully he's providing something more useful to the government.
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@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So heard Bloomfield being a little joy germ on the radio this morning.
It's great that we are almost at 90% first jab in Akl
.... but....
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the target is 90% double jabbed
-
if we get to 90 first jab this week then there should be a 3 week delay until we hit the fully vaccinated target
-
then there's two weeks for the protection to kick in.
So we are talking 6 weeks Ashley - right?
...but...
there's still the rest of NZ to consider. Until the whole country is double jabbed (plus two weeks) the Auckland borders have to stay in place
...but...
With a R rate above 1 vaccinations are only part of the control strategy
I think his dancing must have shaken something loose in Bloomfield's noggin. How easy is it to keep Akl in isolation when it doesn't affect you directly?
After nine weeks of this I shudder to think how people in Melbourne or much of the northern hemisphere coped with longer lockdowns.
But during those 6 weeks, some children turned 12 and are now eligible for the vaccine, so we have to be kind and let them have the opportunity to be fully vaccinated...
Sounds like reasons for avoiding making hard decisions. Hopefully he's providing something more useful to the government.
Hope is the killer!!!!
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan say hello to Brian for me
(not having a dig. If Akl stays in lockdown after doing its bit I will be tearing down the barricades as well)
Yep, that's why I carefully didn't say protest
Plenty of people around us just not paying attention to the levels at all anymore. I saw the Auckland party on instagram, so there will be more of that.
People will be complient when they trust the source, but again, as these guys keep saying one thing and doing another there will come a point where they'll get told to fuck off. Especially as people start losing their homes/businesses.
Asking for a friend, these arseholes taking a paycut to share the pain? Didn't think so.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Well, if that's their plan (fuck us over even if we make 90%) then they can expect a lot of civil disobedience.
That's why they needed to actually announce a plan, so they actually had something to be held to. There's always going to be a reason to wait just a little bit longer.
It's the indecisiveness that's going to end up fucking everyone over.
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I see headlines talking about a 'circuit breaker' L4 for Auckland...that will go down well.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I see headlines talking about a 'circuit breaker' L4 for Auckland...that will go down well.
Have they explained why lockdowns will work in NZ when they failed in Victoria?
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@antipodean cos Kindness.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I see headlines talking about a 'circuit breaker' L4 for Auckland...that will go down well.
Fuck these pricks.
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@kirwan they are only headlines at this point, I think it just Bloomfields recommendation, will be shit if they do an about face given Hipkins and Cindy last week or so had already ruled our return to L4
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@taniwharugby What is Level 4 meant to accomplish at ~60 cases a day when we know we can't get to 0? Get it back to 30? Seems like a complete waste of time and resources.
There's going to be a lot more than that when we're living with covid. If that is his recommendation, then it looks like he's the wrong person for handling the transition.
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@anonymous yep, we need people to start getting it, and not getting hospitalised so they (90%) have vaccine and infection antibodies.
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@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby What is Level 4 meant to accomplish at ~60 cases a day when we know we can't get to 0? Get it back to 30? Seems like a complete waste of time and resources.
There's going to be a lot more than that when we're living with covid. If that is his recommendation, then it looks like he's the wrong person for handling the transition.
Going by the article, the point would be harder suppression, not elimination.
It's a cabinet meeting, they get a range of policy advice on everything. The DG's advice on behalf of the Ministry of Health has mostly assumed pre-eminence on Covid, but it hasn't been followed on everything (although it has been followed a lot), and ultimately it's cabinet's decision, not the ministry's.
Personally, I'd go to step 2 today, step 3 in 2 weeks, and replace the level system 2 weeks after that (it's being replaced at some point, probably by traffic lights, may as well give everyone 3-4 weeks to get vaccinated).
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@godder Yeah - it would be buying time - for a few more people to get their first jab, but quite a lot of people to get their 2nd jab and develop the antibodies.
In 2 weeks maybe they'd get back to something like anonymous' 30 cases per day as opposed to having something like 300 cases per day on the current trajectory.
One of the professors on TV last night reckoned about 1 in 10 people in the current outbreak are being hospitalized - so that would get things back to 20 hospital admissions per week, rather than 200.
It's pretty much all about stopping the hospitals from being overwhelmed now, I think.
I don't think they'll go for it today though.