Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@frank Depends what the objective of lockdown is.
If it is still eradication then it is definitely failing.
If it is to slow the spread to allow more people to get jabbed and also to try and delay the spread outside Akl. Then it has worked. Two months since first case detected and still less than 100 cases per day and close to 5 million extra doses delivered. Also given time for hospitals to increase the number of High Dependency beds and train up some nurses.
That doesn't give the govt a pass mark. If we had been further along the vaccination curve then all of this would have been less necessary. Although I think a majority of the population needed the kick start of an outbreak to get them motivated.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank Depends what the objective of lockdown is.
If it is still eradication then it is definitely failing.
If it is to slow the spread to allow more people to get jabbed and also to try and delay the spread outside Akl. Then it has worked. Two months since first case detected and still less than 100 cases per day and close to 5 million extra doses delivered. Also given time for hospitals to increase the number of High Dependency beds and train up some nurses.
That doesn't give the govt a pass mark. If we had been further along the vaccination curve then all of this would have been less necessary. Although I think a majority of the population needed the kick start of an outbreak to get them motivated.
It also doesn't have to be either/or.
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Also given time for hospitals to increase the number of High Dependency beds and train up some nurses.
This should have been done before. Long before.
Training has been going on and plans have been being tuned to switch beds over.
Trouble is that they also had 'normal' sick people getting in the way and wanting treatment.That comment is in now way excusing the shambles that many DHBs will have made of the task just saying that they were told to get ready.
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
65 today, all in Auckland.
This is not good.
Lockdown is failing.Yep. Lockdowns only work if people follow the rules and even then there is still a spread.
This one has failed because some people decided not to play the game (plus the ease that Delta spreads) -
I'm hearing rumours that if this push on the weekend produces positive results there may be some prizes announced on the basis of higher vax rates (lower risk).
Possibles include shorter MIQ, home iso for some (skipping the trial) and maybe some bubbles opening again.
Might be optimistic gossip but if the cases are now expected to Q at home, and they actually have the virus, how can they argue that fully vaxxed travellers with a recent tests and from a lower risk place are somehow a higher risk?
This could help in a lot of ways by increasing availabilityfor those that need it and those like migrant workers than could go straight to their accommodation at a place of work (ie fruit/veg workers) and be monitored there.Fingers crossed that the grapevine may have hit a couple of targets.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@tim also 2 x samples in Te Awamutu.
Cat well and truly out of the bag!
Was detected out in Helensville where i live as well.....good times.
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NZ businesses have been beyond generous in donating prizes for the Vaxathon
There will be opportunities for everyone getting vaccinated to win prizes
The prizes aren't just for those getting vaccinated, there will be giveaways online as well for those watching from home
There will be prizes from The Warehouse, Placemakers, BurgerFuel, R&V, The Travel Corporation (Contiki), Foodstuffs, Vodafone, Precinct Properties, Aesop, Mitre 10, Weta Workshops, ASB, ANZ, Rod Drury, Contact Energy, Countdown, Fisher & Paykel Healthcare, Goodman Property, Jarden, Kiwibank, Meridian, Fulton Hogan, and Christchurch Airport with more being confirmed every hour.
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@frank In rural communities it might be hard to get to and the perceived risk has been very low.
You might work shifts that make it more problematic
You may be self employed and can't afford the time off.
These are all reasons that I have heard in the last 24 hours but I figure the main ones are complacency, reading too much bullshit on social media and inertia / laziness. There also people who cannot get the vax but they would be a tiny%.
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Why are people not getting vaccinated (I mean outside of the conspiracy theorists) I don't get it.
Lazy? Dumb?There are also categories of difficulties in timing/transport/working for some. You have people in rural areas that see their personal risk as very low eg a farmer in the backblocks that only interacts with others face to face on sporadic occasions but would have to set aside half a day to drive out and get jabbed..
Lots of reasons including those that put off the decision as long as possible.
The conspiracy theorists are the noisy ones and are fighting to win the minds of the undecided or give excuses to others. Hopefully they are bound and gagged this weekend. -
@bovidae said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank There have been incentives given before this Super Saturday. An example in my region.
My kids got given KFC vouchers. I'll let you all add the joke about who they are targetting.
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@crucial seems like the rumours might be true – https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/453576/covid-19-ashley-bloomfield-says-shorter-home-isolation-periods-likely-for-vaccinated
@dogmeat Until Delta actually arrived, I'm not entirely convinced that there was much motivation to get vaccinated on the part of New Zealanders, especially outside Auckland, no matter how much the government pushed vaccination at them. Just my reckons, but the way vaccinations suddenly skyrocketed when it was actual rather than theoretical points in that direction.