New Lynn knife attack
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So apparently it's our fault the guy was a terrorist.
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The tone of that article is quite something:
Government-led reviews will reveal the full facts around the case. But the people interviewed for this story say those enquiries also need to address a much wider question: did our justice system feed the exact ideology that it was trying to suppress in Samsudeen? And in doing so, did it lead a traumatised, isolated young man even further down the road to becoming a terrorist? “The problem with the blunt label ‘terrorist’ is that it excludes everything else that was going on for this guy,” says Rasheed. “It excludes the longstanding mental health issues that were flagged not long after he arrived. It excludes his refugee background, and his own experience of terror. “There’s an old saying, ‘Hurt people hurt people’. Aathill is responsible for the hurt he caused last Friday. But as a country, will we take some of the responsibility for who he became?”
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@anonymous Mr Rasheed should explain how with a person who couldn't go anywhere, and time on his hands, they failed to deradicalize him. Perhaps it's their fault?
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@gt12 said in New Lynn knife attack:
“There’s an old saying, ‘Hurt people hurt people’. Aathill is responsible for the hurt he caused last Friday. But as a country, will we take some of the responsibility for who he became?”
No, we won't.
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@frank Well, if you fail to deport the fucker, and then ignore the problem because of a fucked up system until something happens...... well yes, the country should bear some responsibility. Esp. to those hurt. I know that is not what you meant but you provided a segue for a small vent.
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Damian Grant's take on the system:
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@godder said in New Lynn knife attack:
Damian Grant's take on the system:
I’m sure that’s a comforting read for the families of his victims, and might get a few pats on the back for the politicians that failed to get the law right here.
A system that doesn’t protect the lives of its citizens over the right of someone in the process of becoming a citizen needs to fixed urgently.
We have no obligation to take risky people like this until we fix that as well. We are not responsible for the worlds ills.
We are responsible for each other however, and we have been failed here. No spin can deny that.
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@kirwan said in New Lynn knife attack:
@godder said in New Lynn knife attack:
Damian Grant's take on the system:
I’m sure that’s a comforting read for the families of his victims, and might get a few pats on the back for the politicians that failed to get the law right here.
> A system that doesn’t protect the lives of its citizens over the right of someone in the process of becoming a citizen needs to fixed urgently.
We have no obligation to take risky people like this until we fix that as well. We are not responsible for the worlds ills.
We are responsible for each other however, and we have been failed here. No spin can deny that.
This.
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Grant says IPT clearly got it wrong in accepting the claim originally, and there should obviously be an offence in the antiterrorism legislation for planning attacks, so it's not like he's suggesting those parts were good, just that he's pleased that the law as written was complied with.
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@godder said in New Lynn knife attack:
Grant says IPT clearly got it wrong in accepting the claim originally, and there should obviously be an offence in the antiterrorism legislation for planning attacks, so it's not like he's suggesting those parts were good, just that he's pleased that the law as written was complied with.
Which is not seeing the forest for the trees.
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@godder said in New Lynn knife attack:
Grant says IPT clearly got it wrong in accepting the claim originally, and there should obviously be an offence in the antiterrorism legislation for planning attacks, so it's not like he's suggesting those parts were good, just that he's pleased that the law as written was complied with.
@kirwan said in New Lynn knife attack:
@godder said in New Lynn knife attack:
Grant says IPT clearly got it wrong in accepting the claim originally, and there should obviously be an offence in the antiterrorism legislation for planning attacks, so it's not like he's suggesting those parts were good, just that he's pleased that the law as written was complied with.
Which is not seeing the forest for the trees.
2021 ... where the lefty is defending Damian Grant and the conservative is disagreeing ...
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@kirwan said in New Lynn knife attack:
@godder said in New Lynn knife attack:
Grant says IPT clearly got it wrong in accepting the claim originally, and there should obviously be an offence in the antiterrorism legislation for planning attacks, so it's not like he's suggesting those parts were good, just that he's pleased that the law as written was complied with.
Which is not seeing the forest for the trees.
He'd no doubt say that about your comment. Executive overreach (or worse) is a problem with centuries of historical examples.
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@booboo said in New Lynn knife attack:
@godder said in New Lynn knife attack:
Grant says IPT clearly got it wrong in accepting the claim originally, and there should obviously be an offence in the antiterrorism legislation for planning attacks, so it's not like he's suggesting those parts were good, just that he's pleased that the law as written was complied with.
@kirwan said in New Lynn knife attack:
@godder said in New Lynn knife attack:
Grant says IPT clearly got it wrong in accepting the claim originally, and there should obviously be an offence in the antiterrorism legislation for planning attacks, so it's not like he's suggesting those parts were good, just that he's pleased that the law as written was complied with.
Which is not seeing the forest for the trees.
2021 ... where the lefty is defending Damian Grant and the conservative is disagreeing ...
Mistrust of authority is not exclusive to either the left or right wing, there is plenty of history of both being poorly treated by governments. Labour parties and trade unions often use red as a signature colour to represent the blood shed by workers in struggles for decent working conditions. Whatever I can say about modern NZ politics, nobody is suggesting sending out the police and/or army to attack the workers' strike/picket/march or anything like it.
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@godder said in New Lynn knife attack:
@booboo said in New Lynn knife attack:
@godder said in New Lynn knife attack:
Grant says IPT clearly got it wrong in accepting the claim originally, and there should obviously be an offence in the antiterrorism legislation for planning attacks, so it's not like he's suggesting those parts were good, just that he's pleased that the law as written was complied with.
@kirwan said in New Lynn knife attack:
@godder said in New Lynn knife attack:
Grant says IPT clearly got it wrong in accepting the claim originally, and there should obviously be an offence in the antiterrorism legislation for planning attacks, so it's not like he's suggesting those parts were good, just that he's pleased that the law as written was complied with.
Which is not seeing the forest for the trees.
2021 ... where the lefty is defending Damian Grant and the conservative is disagreeing ...
Mistrust of authority is not exclusive to either the left or right wing, there is plenty of history of both being poorly treated by governments. Labour parties and trade unions often use red as a signature colour to represent the blood shed by workers in struggles for decent working conditions. Whatever I can say about modern NZ politics, nobody is suggesting sending out the police and/or army to attack the workers' strike/picket/march or anything like it.
Drama queens
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@kirwan said in New Lynn knife attack:
@godder said in New Lynn knife attack:
@booboo said in New Lynn knife attack:
@godder said in New Lynn knife attack:
Grant says IPT clearly got it wrong in accepting the claim originally, and there should obviously be an offence in the antiterrorism legislation for planning attacks, so it's not like he's suggesting those parts were good, just that he's pleased that the law as written was complied with.
@kirwan said in New Lynn knife attack:
@godder said in New Lynn knife attack:
Grant says IPT clearly got it wrong in accepting the claim originally, and there should obviously be an offence in the antiterrorism legislation for planning attacks, so it's not like he's suggesting those parts were good, just that he's pleased that the law as written was complied with.
Which is not seeing the forest for the trees.
2021 ... where the lefty is defending Damian Grant and the conservative is disagreeing ...
Mistrust of authority is not exclusive to either the left or right wing, there is plenty of history of both being poorly treated by governments. Labour parties and trade unions often use red as a signature colour to represent the blood shed by workers in struggles for decent working conditions. Whatever I can say about modern NZ politics, nobody is suggesting sending out the police and/or army to attack the workers' strike/picket/march or anything like it.
Drama queens
Absolutely.
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@kirwan said in New Lynn knife attack:
@godder said in New Lynn knife attack:
@booboo said in New Lynn knife attack:
@godder said in New Lynn knife attack:
Grant says IPT clearly got it wrong in accepting the claim originally, and there should obviously be an offence in the antiterrorism legislation for planning attacks, so it's not like he's suggesting those parts were good, just that he's pleased that the law as written was complied with.
@kirwan said in New Lynn knife attack:
@godder said in New Lynn knife attack:
Grant says IPT clearly got it wrong in accepting the claim originally, and there should obviously be an offence in the antiterrorism legislation for planning attacks, so it's not like he's suggesting those parts were good, just that he's pleased that the law as written was complied with.
Which is not seeing the forest for the trees.
2021 ... where the lefty is defending Damian Grant and the conservative is disagreeing ...
Mistrust of authority is not exclusive to either the left or right wing, there is plenty of history of both being poorly treated by governments. Labour parties and trade unions often use red as a signature colour to represent the blood shed by workers in struggles for decent working conditions. Whatever I can say about modern NZ politics, nobody is suggesting sending out the police and/or army to attack the workers' strike/picket/march or anything like it.
Drama queens
Very Victor Hugo