Coronavirus - Australia
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo that actually what happened with Grandma, we were lining up a retirement village and she started getting all worked up about things, started saying she was being forced to sell her house, that we were stealing from her, thats when we clicked it was more than just age
backed out of the retirement village and went for the dementia home, full medical support and stuff as she went down hill fast...ad then just plateau at a really bad place
I feel the worst for my mum as shes the only one left in chch to go and visit, i spend my calls to her just convincing her she CANT take grandma home and look after her and the people that work in those kinds of places are fucking saints by and large
very true
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My completely anecdotal sense of that average time in a rest home is that there are two relative extremes averaging themselves out. From what I've seen over the last two years, quite a few people end up there for 'just' a few weeks to a few months at the very end. Others, where the body is strong but the mind is gone (and vice versa), spend several years there.
One thing I was naïve about Alzheimer's/dementia was that it's more than 'just' memory loss. That paranoia that @kiwiwomble mentions is a big sign. At one stage we could just about set the clock by Mum's sundowning at around 4.30pm. The workers are definitely Saints, we get to visit earlier in the day, and don't have to deal with that as much. Whoever is living with them at the stage just before an Alzheimer's patient goes into residential care also deserves a medal...
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@nostrildamus said in Coronavirus - Australia:
As someone who probably has no choice but to do that for their elderly parent back in NZ, it sure did... hopefully it is an Australian rather than NZ statistic but probably same for both.. (hard finding a good Australian rest home I heard)..
It really depends what level of care is required, and how this "12 month" period is gauged. If it is a 12-month period after an extended hospital stay, that makes complete sense - chances are they were in hospital for a reason.
My wife's mum is now nearly 4 years into residential care, and she went high-level care about 2 years into that after trying to make a break for it one Xmas day. Can't talk, walk, or do much but sit there these days.
12 months would have been a blessing.
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
we were lining up a retirement village and she started getting all worked up about things, started saying she was being forced to sell her house, that we were stealing from her, thats when we clicked it was more than just age
The irony being dementia sufferers don't often like change, and the stress can accelerate the issue. There are a range of benefits to staying in your home as long as possible, and one of them is knowing where everything is and not stressing about it.
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@nostrildamus said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Shit. Less than 12 months.
That doesn't surprise me. Watching my grandmother's body give out on her was sad as her mind remained sharp as a tack. But looking at all the others in her care home, the vast majority had no quality of life and I remarked that it was more of a death farm. Old people literally waiting to die.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nostrildamus said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Shit. Less than 12 months.
That doesn't surprise me. Watching my grandmother's body give out on her was sad as her mind remained sharp as a tack. But looking at all the others in her care home, the vast majority had no quality of life and I remarked that it was more of a death farm. Old people literally waiting to die.
Seems like a bad outcome, until you consider that the alternative is dying young...
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
it might sound callus and i dont want it to be, but im coming from the other side, we put my grandmother in care probably 4 years ago and i wished she had passed, dementia has overtaken her, the strong and loving women i grew up with has become sometimes mean and violent, her mind has betrayed her by becoming sick and her body has betrayed her by just doing enough to keep going, its horrible and i imagine even worse for her
I hear you
Cared for my Dad (alzheimers) at home for a year, then when he lost the ability to walk had to put him in a home which had all the necessary facilities for bathing etc.
He quickly forgot who I was, and passed about 6 months later a shadow of his former self.
My brother and I have already booked our tickets to Switzerland based on experiencing the pitiful way my once giant of a father withered away.
Given the choice, I'd happily have 'put him down' myself.
I've done it with elderly and/or infirm dogs.
The fact tha we let human loved ones suffer like this is barbaric IMHO
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
it might sound callus and i dont want it to be, but im coming from the other side, we put my grandmother in care probably 4 years ago and i wished she had passed, dementia has overtaken her, the strong and loving women i grew up with has become sometimes mean and violent, her mind has betrayed her by becoming sick and her body has betrayed her by just doing enough to keep going, its horrible and i imagine even worse for her
I hear you
Cared for my Dad (alzheimers) at home for a year, then when he lost the ability to walk had to put him in a home which had all the necessary facilities for bathing etc.
He quickly forgot who I was, and passed about 6 months later a shadow of his former self.
My brother and I have already booked our tickets to Switzerland based on experiencing the pitiful way my once giant of a father withered away.
Given the choice, I'd happily have 'put him down' myself.
I've done it with elderly and/or infirm dogs.
The fact tha we let human loved ones suffer like this is barbaric IMHO
If I'm in that space, I'd rather people just walk away.
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I've observed both in parents, mental dissolution but still some level of mobility, versus still-sharp mind but unable to speak or move a muscle, fed through the tube into the stomach.
I think the second is probably worse to live through but both are gutwrenching when they're your parents. -
If you want an understanding of how tone deaf the Prime Minister is, he secured an exemption permitting him to go to Sydney to spend the weekend with his family and then re-enter the ACT without doing a quarantine. The sooner this fuckwit is removed from office, the better.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
If you want an understanding of how tone deaf the Prime Minister is, he secured an exemption permitting him to go to Sydney to spend the weekend with his family and then re-enter the ACT without doing a quarantine. The sooner this fuckwit is removed from office, the better.
Absolutely tone deaf of him to snub the Paralympics Closing Ceremony like that. He should have been off to Tokyo.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
If you want an understanding of how tone deaf the Prime Minister is, he secured an exemption permitting him to go to Sydney to spend the weekend with his family and then re-enter the ACT without doing a quarantine. The sooner this fuckwit is removed from office, the better.
And used it as a photo op for something else?
It is perhaps not surprising that nobody in the PMO thought this was a bad idea. Either they're complicit in their staggering arrogance, or they're not capable of getting through to him (or afraid).
Given some of the actions of the PMO the last few years, I'm really not sure whether it wasn't both.
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@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
If you want an understanding of how tone deaf the Prime Minister is, he secured an exemption permitting him to go to Sydney to spend the weekend with his family and then re-enter the ACT without doing a quarantine. The sooner this fuckwit is removed from office, the better.
And used it as a photo op for something else?
It is perhaps not surprising that nobody in the PMO thought this was a bad idea. Either they're complicit in their staggering arrogance, or they're not capable of getting through to him (or afraid).
Given some of the actions of the PMO the last few years, I'm really not sure whether it wasn't both.
id like to say im surprised but when you see company logos or ad's that must have thousands of people look at them before going public...then the first person outside that looks at it notices it looks like a dick or something...it staggering
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
If you want an understanding of how tone deaf the Prime Minister is, he secured an exemption permitting him to go to Sydney to spend the weekend with his family and then re-enter the ACT without doing a quarantine. The sooner this fuckwit is removed from office, the better.
And used it as a photo op for something else?
It is perhaps not surprising that nobody in the PMO thought this was a bad idea. Either they're complicit in their staggering arrogance, or they're not capable of getting through to him (or afraid).
Given some of the actions of the PMO the last few years, I'm really not sure whether it wasn't both.
id like to say im surprised but when you see company logos or ad's that must have thousands of people look at them before going public...then the first person outside that looks at it notices it looks like a dick or something...it staggering
OR they deliberately get it out there in all its penisy glory to draw attention to the brand. No such thing as bad publicity
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@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
If you want an understanding of how tone deaf the Prime Minister is, he secured an exemption permitting him to go to Sydney to spend the weekend with his family and then re-enter the ACT without doing a quarantine. The sooner this fuckwit is removed from office, the better.
And used it as a photo op for something else?
It is perhaps not surprising that nobody in the PMO thought this was a bad idea. Either they're complicit in their staggering arrogance, or they're not capable of getting through to him (or afraid).
Given some of the actions of the PMO the last few years, I'm really not sure whether it wasn't both.
I don't think he's taking direction from mere mortals.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
If you want an understanding of how tone deaf the Prime Minister is, he secured an exemption permitting him to go to Sydney to spend the weekend with his family and then re-enter the ACT without doing a quarantine. The sooner this fuckwit is removed from office, the better.
And used it as a photo op for something else?
It is perhaps not surprising that nobody in the PMO thought this was a bad idea. Either they're complicit in their staggering arrogance, or they're not capable of getting through to him (or afraid).
Given some of the actions of the PMO the last few years, I'm really not sure whether it wasn't both.
I don't think he's taking direction from mere mortals.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@gibbonrib said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@taniwharugby sounds sensible. Would probably be a good idea to share that with the public though
Why would they want to do that? That creates expectations, and metrics to judge them by.....
It would also give antivaxxers an excuse - "if the target is 70-80%, I can just be the 20-30%" becomes the justification.
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324 in vic today, id say most people are just giving up so we may as well just open
was talking to a work mate yesterday, he has always been of the opinion of staying home, following the restrictions, previously.
was talking about how "we're all going out for more than 2 hours" and saying how he was meeting up with a couple of friends yesterday and was going out again this avo...as has been said, restrictions only work while people are happy to follow then and it definitely seems like lots more aren't now
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People are over it. You just can't expect people to stay home and chase zero again, all the while knowing it's futile and watching people around the world living their lives again.
Time to join NSW in the real world, we can wave to QLD and WA as we fly over them en-route to Singapore for Xmas and the Greek Islands for July holidays