Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@cgrant said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After a rewatch, the ABs scrum fared much better when Hodgman and Lomax came in (or was it when Ala'atoa and Slipper went off ?). They won two penalties and there were no more resets. I don't remember who on this forum who wrote that Hodgman got monstered at least one time by Tupou. In that peculiar scrum, after being caught initially, Hodgman stood up and drove forward to win his contest against Tupou.
Rob Simmons came on after 45. The scrum was at 66.40. Hodgman's toenails were the only thing touching dirt.
I thought Oz scrum had slight advantage in first half, with Slipper giving Ofa a few problems. Exacerbated by NZ loosies dropping off on Oz ball. Fine on ours.That's the ABs with 25 tests having not lost a scrum on their own ball
That stat looked weird. I thought we conceded a penalty at scrum time on our feed once - or is my faulty memory from late Saturday?
I don't think penalties count as lost scrums
Which makes zero sense.
@nta that's a pretty useless stat then, unless your scrum got pumped
Although in a statistical analysis you wouldn’t want one event being counted twice - “lost scrum” and “penalty”.
And technically the scrum isn’t completed until the ball is cleared or when the ref says use it, so given most penalties occur when the ball hasn’t left the scrum or even fed, it makes sense from a statistical perspective not to say it is a “lost scrum”.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@cgrant said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After a rewatch, the ABs scrum fared much better when Hodgman and Lomax came in (or was it when Ala'atoa and Slipper went off ?). They won two penalties and there were no more resets. I don't remember who on this forum who wrote that Hodgman got monstered at least one time by Tupou. In that peculiar scrum, after being caught initially, Hodgman stood up and drove forward to win his contest against Tupou.
Rob Simmons came on after 45. The scrum was at 66.40. Hodgman's toenails were the only thing touching dirt.
I thought Oz scrum had slight advantage in first half, with Slipper giving Ofa a few problems. Exacerbated by NZ loosies dropping off on Oz ball. Fine on ours.That's the ABs with 25 tests having not lost a scrum on their own ball
That stat looked weird. I thought we conceded a penalty at scrum time on our feed once - or is my faulty memory from late Saturday?
I don't think penalties count as lost scrums
Which makes zero sense.
@nta that's a pretty useless stat then, unless your scrum got pumped
Although in a statistical analysis you wouldn’t want one event being counted twice - “lost scrum” and “penalty”.
And technically the scrum isn’t completed until the ball is cleared or when the ref says use it, so given most penalties occur when the ball hasn’t left the scrum or even fed, it makes sense from a statistical perspective not to say it is a “lost scrum”.
I think I'd prefer a scrum penalty counted in 2 ways rather than ignored in the scrum stats. Whether the ball has left the 9's hand or not, if your scrum gets pumped on the shove, to me thats a loss.
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@cgrant said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After a rewatch, the ABs scrum fared much better when Hodgman and Lomax came in (or was it when Ala'atoa and Slipper went off ?). They won two penalties and there were no more resets. I don't remember who on this forum who wrote that Hodgman got monstered at least one time by Tupou. In that peculiar scrum, after being caught initially, Hodgman stood up and drove forward to win his contest against Tupou.
Rob Simmons came on after 45. The scrum was at 66.40. Hodgman's toenails were the only thing touching dirt.
I thought Oz scrum had slight advantage in first half, with Slipper giving Ofa a few problems. Exacerbated by NZ loosies dropping off on Oz ball. Fine on ours.That's the ABs with 25 tests having not lost a scrum on their own ball
That stat looked weird. I thought we conceded a penalty at scrum time on our feed once - or is my faulty memory from late Saturday?
I don't think penalties count as lost scrums
Which makes zero sense.
@nta that's a pretty useless stat then, unless your scrum got pumped
Although in a statistical analysis you wouldn’t want one event being counted twice - “lost scrum” and “penalty”.
And technically the scrum isn’t completed until the ball is cleared or when the ref says use it, so given most penalties occur when the ball hasn’t left the scrum or even fed, it makes sense from a statistical perspective not to say it is a “lost scrum”.
I think I'd prefer a scrum penalty counted in 2 ways rather than ignored in the scrum stats. Whether the ball has left the 9's hand or not, if your scrum gets pumped on the shove, to me thats a loss.
Only problem with calling it lost early is that even with a dominant shove, stuff can happen before the ball leaves the scrum, like both front rows come up and the ref calls a reset. Scrum is neither won or lost.
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@pakman said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@canefan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Man ANZ is a terrible stadium for fans.
The food is a fucking disgrace. Every single outlet sells the same shit - pies, chips, and hotdogs. You couldn't even get a pizza if you wanted, let alone some noodles or sushi or a decent burger. Imagine all the Asian cafe/restaurant owners who would love a crack at setting up in one of the kitchen to roll out awesome noodle/rice dishes at HT, could all be pre-prepared, pre-ordered, pre-paid for easy collection at HT.
At HT I queued up at one of the coffee bars for 15mins to get the kids a hot chocolate, only to be told they don't do hot chocolates. Only positive there was that I missed the Wallaby try, and if I didn't see it it didn't happen... 👊
I see the attendance was only 26k, thats pretty disappointing even given the weather.
Not much different from grounds in NZ, where the peak culinary offering is probably a Fritz's weiner
I had delicious Vietnamese a couple of years ago at Bay Oval, although it was the summer.
Knee-trembler?
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Ultimately I'd only count scrums lost where you actually complete the scrum and lose your feed - which is easy to avoid if you concede the penalty
Yeah, which means you lost the scrum I reckon. Conceding the penalty is surely worse than the opposition getting messy ball that they weren't prepared for anymore than your own defence was. It's such a rare event at top levels anyway.
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@Snowy it's messy. You could concede the penalty when the ball is under your second row and your prop loses his bind.
Remember we're dealing with refs here, and none of them have had a single clue about scrums since Wayne "Gus" Erickson (Aussie ref and ex prop) retired 😉
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@canefan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA he was a great ref
Had a good manner with the players, IMHO because he was a player. I think with fast tracking refs these days we lose some of that.
I'm fit enough to ref lower divisions at the moment, but to get into the upper echelons you need to do some pretty sharp numbers on the training paddock.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@canefan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA he was a great ref
Had a good manner with the players, IMHO because he was a player. I think with fast tracking refs these days we lose some of that.
I'm fit enough to ref lower divisions at the moment, but to get into the upper echelons you need to do some pretty sharp numbers on the training paddock.
Yes. He and Norling were as good as anyone. Nigel is also good. The Sandy haired Aussie Stu what's his name was good early on then it seemed to go to his head later, same as our Kiwi ref that ended up leaving NZ for Aussie under a cloud. After allowing 7 minutes of extra time in Wellington that gave Eales the chance to kick the Aussies to victory I can say nice things about Kaplan
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@canefan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After allowing 7 minutes of extra time in Wellington that gave Eales the chance to kick the Aussies to victory I can say nice things about Kaplan
He paid you back by giving 700 last final definitely not going to put up with it any more warnings to McCaw over the subsequent decade 😉
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@canefan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
The Sandy haired Aussie Stu what's his name was good early on then it seemed to go to his head later, same as our Kiwi ref that ended up leaving NZ for Aussie under a cloud
Dickinson.
And Steve Walsh
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@canefan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
The Sandy haired Aussie Stu what's his name was good early on then it seemed to go to his head later, same as our Kiwi ref that ended up leaving NZ for Aussie under a cloud
Dickinson.
And Steve Walsh
My mind is going to mush these days
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@canefan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
After allowing 7 minutes of extra time in Wellington that gave Eales the chance to kick the Aussies to victory I can say nice things about Kaplan
He paid you back by giving 700 last final definitely not going to put up with it any more warnings to McCaw over the subsequent decade 😉
You only remember the slights. Same with Wayne Barnes
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Snowy it's messy. You could concede the penalty when the ball is under your second row and your prop loses his bind.
Remember we're dealing with refs here, and none of them have had a single clue about scrums since Wayne "Gus" Erickson (Aussie ref and ex prop) retired 😉
Scrums are a lot different to the days Erickson was a player and also reffing.
And speaking of his reffing, let’s not forget the absolute howler of a try he awarded to France against the ABs in 2000...
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Snowy it's messy. You could concede the penalty when the ball is under your second row and your prop loses his bind.
Remember we're dealing with refs here, and none of them have had a single clue about scrums since Wayne "Gus" Erickson (Aussie ref and ex prop) retired 😉
Scrums are a lot different to the days Erickson was a player and also reffing.
My theory being any ref who was a prop and transitioned to refereeing would be better placed than someone who never propped
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Snowy it's messy. You could concede the penalty when the ball is under your second row and your prop loses his bind.
Remember we're dealing with refs here, and none of them have had a single clue about scrums since Wayne "Gus" Erickson (Aussie ref and ex prop) retired 😉
Scrums are a lot different to the days Erickson was a player and also reffing.
My theory being any ref who was a prop and transitioned to refereeing would be better placed than someone who never propped
you say that, but have they been on courses to get qualified, and how is their powerpoint game?
tongue obviously very in cheek.
